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TricksDaniel Loyal user Pensacola,FL 248 Posts |
This is actually my own opinions. Please, no one get offended. It sounds to me like the E-2 that will be offered by Peter Loughran, and the Invisible Force being offered in a book by MagicBuilder, I think his name is Devin, are actually the same. They both claim that spectators can sneek a peek under your feet while levitating. It seems odd that both are supposed to be released around the same time towards late August or September. Peter says to support the original and not any knock-offs. MagicBuilder says that his design is an original. Are these the same effect and design or something entirely different? If either Peter or MagicBuilder read this, please explain. I know that MagicBuilder says that he is in the process of having the look under the feet gimmick patented. If they are the same effect, or if Magicbuilder does have the look under the feet patented, then how could Peter sell the E-2? In Peter's posts, he says that with the new addition that there will be no more squatting. I haven't seen if Invisible Force does this. I would also like to know if MagicBuilder is actually going to build a gimmick to accomodate Invisible Force even though it will be in his book. What are your thoughts on this?
Daniel
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marien_zc New user Dominican Republic 46 Posts |
I think these two gimmicks are different (I am not sure this is what I think from what I have read)
Mr. loughran says that his E-2 will allow people to see under your feet, but his gimmick as he says is an add on to the original. It still has angles you cannot view this one from all the sides. Since is an add on, you still have to do the same basic preparation you had to do with the original (although he mentione in one of his posts that new idea were given so no squating must be done) The idea sounds great and I am sure its original and will have a good impact in the magic community, Mr. Devin's gimmick he claims that it can be seen by the spectator by all sides once in the air. And he alsos has a technique were spectator can be 360degrees since the beginning of the levitation. Also for this levitaiton as he says you will need your"special shoes" (which nobody knows yet what he means with this, but he says its no big thing) You will not have to do any squating or anything, he says that you will not even know you have the gimmick with you. So because of the restrictions, the fact that E-2 is an add on to the gimmick, and invisible force is actually in your shoes, invisible force can be viewd 360 degress on the things they have mentioned. I can almost for sure say that these two gimmicks are different. As I have also noticed in the past Devin and Peter are good friends ad I very much doubt they will steal ideas from each other Hope this answers any questin or doubt.
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TricksDaniel Loyal user Pensacola,FL 248 Posts |
I wasn't implying that they were stealing ideas from each other. I would never think that would happen. I do however know that in one of Peter's posts he does say that the base of the elevator gimmick will be done away with to add on the E-2. Basically it's a new gimmick. You can view that on another post that he put under the E-2. And also, if I have read right, Retro Gravity is the levitation that says will have "gimmicked" shoes. I thought that Invisible Force had nothing to do with any shoes that are "gimmicked". And if I read right, the 360 degree levitation has nothing to do with Retro-Gravity or Invisible Force. It's just supposed to be another type of levitation in his book. Any comments from Mr.Loughran or MagicBuilder would be greatly appreciated. My only real thought about this was that if MagicBuilder does patent the Looking Under Feet, wouldn't that mean that if someone built another illusion that someone could look under your feet, that they would be in copy right infringement? Thanks.
Daniel
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MikeJRogers Veteran user Australia 354 Posts |
DanCprfld,
Your getting a little confused. I wont go into legalities to deeply but I'll try and explain it a little. Magicbuilder is most likely the originator of HIS METHOD/S for the looking under the feet during levitation. He is not the originator of the EFFECT of looking under the feet during levitation (see next paragraph). Therefore if he chooses to patent his illusion, then his method will be patented not the effect. I'm sure many would have thought of this effect before any of these 'look under feet' levitations were developed but just didn't have a method for acomplishing such effect. Perhaps many had the inner dialogue of, "Wouldn't it be cool if you could look completely under my feet and see nothing why performing (for example) the Balducci." However most would have never explored it further than this though. The fact is that Peter and Devin did and congrats to them for doing so. Both methods are likely to be different. There are in fact many ways to accomplish this desired effect. I myself have a few original concept designs on file to acomplish a similar effect, just never chose to market them. So each method is, in simple terms, considered a different effect, as long as the methods are sufficiently different, even if they are closely related looks wise from the audiences view. I look forward to both releases and wish both Peter and Devin well. Cheers, Mike
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Peter Loughran V.I.P. Ontario, Canada 2683 Posts |
Although I cannot directly speak for devin, I can say this...
Me and Devin are not competing against each other, and yes we know each other (to a degree), and no we are not out to steal each others Ideas, and I can assure you to the absolute most, that our ideas and products are very very different! PS-thanks Mike for the good wishes! P.
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TricksDaniel Loyal user Pensacola,FL 248 Posts |
Peter, once again as I said earlier in this post, I was in no way implying that you and Devin were stealing ideas. Nor would I think that you were competing against each other. I really started this post because I was afraid that the E-2 wouldn't come out because of copyright problems. I recently bought an Elevator and am looking very much forward to the E-2. I also was very interested in ordering Devin's book when it comes out. I was wanting to make sure that they were not the same as I like to make informed decisions on anything I am going to purchase. I wouldn't want to purchase anything from someone, perform it, then have someone trying to sue me for copyright fraud because they said they invented it. I've seen it happen to many times over the years. Will you be offering performance rights with the E-2? And have you made a decision on how much they might cost? Once again I am saying that in NO way did I think you or Devin were stealing ideas or competing. Thanks Peter for clearing this up. I look forward to the E-2 release and Devin's book. Good luck to you both.
Daniel
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Peter Loughran V.I.P. Ontario, Canada 2683 Posts |
No problem, I understand, and for the record I was not upset or offended by your post, just simply clearing up the questions you had.
Thanks for your interest in the ethical side of magic, I only wish more people were as concerned as much as you are! Best, P.
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TricksDaniel Loyal user Pensacola,FL 248 Posts |
Thanks Peter for your kind words. I do believe that everyone should live with a certain form of ethics. More so it should be a very strong code of ethics among magicians. That way we don't risk exposure and someone else stealing our ideas just to make a quick buck. I just wonder why no one else was concerned about this. I guess most people now today just sit back, purchase an item, then realize after something terrible might have happened that they were performing a knock-off. Just my 2 cents. If you don't mind me asking, what are some of the highlights of the E-2? Sort of like, is it actually going to work like the original, angles, lighting, etc. I know that this has been talked about before, but was wondering if anything new has come up. Also have you set a price on the cost of the E-2 yet? Thanks again Peter. Good luck.
Daniel
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