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Ummm, he's not arguing. Danny simply asked you a question you are not comfortable answering, likely because there is no principle behind the idea that you won't accept gratuities for anything less than $100.

I think it's a good question and I could give you my reasons for why if someone like you refused my tip, it would not be taken kindly but then I'd be trolling apparently and not just discussing the topic so I'll leave it to your imagination.

On Apr 29, 2022, KC Cameron wrote:
You just are a disagreeable man who likes to argue. Do you feel better about yourself and your own situation when you put others down? I don't know what is wrong with you, and I really don't care. I only read the first few sentences of your post and will not be reading any more. Go troll someone else, I'm not biting.
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Danny and I have a history. He has always been trolling me and others. I am certainly not saying he does not provide good advice. He is an accomplished magician who just likes to troll me and others. I have been off this forum for 2 years and he is right back at it with me.

This thread is for sharing national chains, not about tips. There are other threads for that. Still, here We go.

As for not accepting tips being an insult, I generally disagree. My rapport with clients makes it clear I am not insulting them. I am sorry if you can't develop this rapport. In the few cases where it might be considered insulting, I accept and give it to the waitstaff. I have been very clear about this. If you disagree with this, good for you! I am not going to discuss this after this post. If anyone REALY wants to discuss it, not just argue and put down others, I would be happy to discuss it with them privately.

It truly baffles me why accepting a $100 tip is such a big deal.

I have received a couple $100 tips at restaurants, but it is very rare. At one time I did 5 restaurants each week -so I have a fair amount of experience.

I was very clear why I don't accept tips. 1) They don't add much to the bottom line and 2) They can create animosity between me and the staff who make much less for much more work. I find a good working relationship with the waitstaff is much more enjoyable and keeps me working at the restaurant much longer. 3) They create a price for my services I don't accept and I have found inhibits charging higher prices elsewhere.

As with any rule, there are exceptions, often on the fly. 1) A client who is willing to tip $100 is one that will hire me later. By tipping me they reinforce that, and that I am not the cabbie, waitstaff, or other low-paid worker 2) The client is often trying to show off to his date, and I don't want to block him. 3) They don't skimp on the waitstaff tip either-I check. 4) $100 is a lot more than the usual $5. 6) The comment was more a joke than anything else. Why some are fixated on that amazes me.

It is a line I draw. I certainly don't begrudge anyone who wouldn't accept any tip, or someone who accepts all tips. It is just me and my personal experience.

I accept I my be unusual. My wife and my law practice means I don't have to depend on my income as a magician. Still, I feel I make more in the long run, and have a more enjoyable time, and am more respected, by not generally accepting tips.

I have nothing more to say on the subject of tips. I think I have been pretty clear. I don't judge others who accept tips. It is not a "I'm better than you". It is just me explaining my experience so, maybe, others can be helped.

Please let's try to keep this on the topic: national chains that are currently hiring magicians.
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Yes you have been clear. You bring a lot of baggage to all discussions and seem incapable of rational discussion in public when someone disagrees with you.

As for tips it is wonderful that you don’t have to worry about them and that you can just do it for fun. As I said 100% of the time it is a personal choice. Most professionals do not have the luxury of a law practice and a working spouse.

But the point you bring up about them wanting to tip you is interesting. Everyone who wants to tip you is doing so the best they can within their means. You are correct in some of the reasons for people doing it so high. But those exact same reasons can and most often do when people tip you within their means. Not everyone who comes into low end steak houses has $100 but still wants to impress their date. Come to think of it that guy with less means may need the help more to impress them.

And as an aside the client who tips less may also hire you later and be willing to save up for your full fee. I learned this lesson the hard way. I am but trying to argue or any of the stuff you are imagining. I’m telling you that folks can and do save up for special events and you can be part of that. Also they may work for a larger company and know the Secretary of the boss who is throwing the event for the company. You never know who is in front of you.

Yes you do not have to think of these things, but others do. Again get past you’re thinking disagreement with you is argument. It is simple discussion like adults. Nobody here insulted you.
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I've worked in restaurants and performed at parties of all sorts for 30 years.

When asked about tips I tell people I am paid well by the restaurant. If they insist I graciously accept.

I have a great relationship with the wait staff and have never got any inkling that they thought my tips negatively affected theirs. Quite the opposite. Happy customers tip better.
Magic Mike


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On May 19, 2022, MeetMagicMike wrote:
I have a great relationship with the wait staff and have never got any inkling that they thought my tips negatively affected theirs. Quite the opposite. Happy customers tip better.

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