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Rizzo Inner circle East Coast 3346 Posts |
Great point.
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Fire Starter Inner circle 4809 Posts |
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On May 26, 2022, videoman wrote: On May 25, 2022, Tom Cutts wrote: If one thinks otherwise, it’s not their audience who is being oblivious. Got to admit I felt like I was talked down to with the above comment and really no need for it,god forbid we have our OWN opinion. |
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Noobmaster69 Regular user 143 Posts |
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On May 26, 2022, videoman wrote: You're so lucky. Maybe it's because I only perform for friends and family, but my audience always suspects trick cards with everything I do. Doesn't matter if there are any involved or not... |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
It’s because you only perform for friends and family and probably showed at least one of them how a trick works once.
Once you have done that’s it’s curtains as they are always looking for the trick/method and not the amazement factor imho. Gaz 😊 |
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Noobmaster69 Regular user 143 Posts |
Yes, I did show my brother one or two tricks before. But my suspicious coworker for example doesn't know that. However... Even if that was the reason, when performing for people you don't know regularly, chances are that there is somebody who was shown how a trick was done, before. Ergo, if your theory is correct, that means there are people in your audience who suspect you to use gaffed cards, regularly.
I think the only difference is that friends and family aren't as polite as strangers and tell you their suspicions without hesitation. |
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markymarkmagicuk Loyal user UK 277 Posts |
Agree with you Noobmaster69, yes strangers can be polite and not say anything (even when they see a bad move!!!). I too perform all my magic to family and friends, and the reason they suspect the cards have something to do with the secret is because everytime I show them a new trick I may be using red bicycle deck, next time its blue, then another time just a few cards pulled from a wallet, or a packet of cards that all change backs. Each performance may involve the usage of different types of cards, so suspicion always suggests its the cards doing the magic and not me!
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eddie1 Loyal user UK 277 Posts |
Noobmaster, didn’t you know? Everything is always your fault. If the spectator even suspects a single thing or isn’t completely impressed, no matter how bad a trick is, you are just performing it wrong. Simple as that. Oh and don’t forget they are always excited to see you, and never the other way!
Obviously, I’m joking, I personally do get excited to perform magic. And there is always going to be that one spectator who suspects your cards are gaffed, whether you’ve shown them any trick before or not. |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
I always use Red bikes for all cards tricks including packet tricks and mainly introduce those few gaff packet tricks from a full regular deck too.
Your mileage may vary but as long as everyone is having fun it’s not life or death anyway. Best wishes Gaz 😊 |
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Noobmaster69 Regular user 143 Posts |
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On May 29, 2022, Gaz Lawrence wrote: Absolutely. My only point was that I think some spectators (not all, for sure) DO suspect gaffed cards, even if they don't say it. |
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Fire Starter Inner circle 4809 Posts |
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On May 29, 2022, Gaz Lawrence wrote: Absolutely Gaz,with you on that,Jeez our whole decks could be marked?,dodgy we are Magicians,tricksters,mentalists,might as well let everyone see, go in our pockets,none of us are full proof,if caught,carry on ,go to another table,who cares if people want to google a trick, here comes the MAGICIAN , well straight away we must be dodgy ,lol. Been using this effect for years,every colour card under the Rainbow and alway get a Blindin Reaction.If I didn't for the reasons some are giving,easy don't do it,move on and do one that that does,can't believe all this to be honest with different cards,Blank,different colour,might as well just condemn all packets of cards,everything we take out of our pockets. |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
Totally agree Shane, it’s irrelevant if you perform either regularly or as a hobbyist for fun.
If people believe in real magic it’s the absolute minority so I think Eddie is one of those newbies who is wet behind the ears performing at all imho. Gaz 😊 Ps no disrespect to Eddie but he comes across as a rabbit in the headlights which we all were once 😊 |
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Fire Starter Inner circle 4809 Posts |
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On May 29, 2022, Gaz Lawrence wrote: 100 percent Gaz,yup it's all a learning curve and yes all been there at one time. |
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eddie1 Loyal user UK 277 Posts |
Been performing for years but yes I am a hobbyist. No disrespect to you either but you just come off as arrogant and full of yourself in almost every post hence my comment.
I’m simply saying there are people who do suspect gaffed cards regardless of the scenario and it’s not necessarily anything to do with Noobmaster’s prior actions. |
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Fire Starter Inner circle 4809 Posts |
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On May 29, 2022, eddie1 wrote: To be honest you have been given sound advice by people who do it for a living, we understand and agree even yes people may know think we are using gaffed cards,but it does not stop or mar our performance,what is wrong with sharing knowledge? and of course Confidence, never be to humble to not take a little critism,positive as that and knock others.84 posts why you are making a great inpression already. |
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eddie1 Loyal user UK 277 Posts |
I agree with you, it doesn’t hurt your performance. The only thing I ever disagreed with was Gaz saying it was Noobmaster’s fault that people suspect gaffed cards.
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Noobmaster69 Regular user 143 Posts |
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On May 30, 2022, Fire Starter wrote: I totally agree. The whole discussion started with me explicitely replying to a user who said he doesn't believe anybody suspects gaffed cards. I said all of my audience does. Always. That was an exaggeration, but you get the point. I never said, that stops me from doing my thing, though... |
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Fire Starter Inner circle 4809 Posts |
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On May 30, 2022, Noobmaster69 wrote: No worries and good to hear its a hard game we are in and always there are up different types of spectators,some difficult as well. it can be done without GAFFED Cards and always nice to show that one a few times among the gaffed ones, makes a brilliant disguise in between Routines. |
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Fire Starter Inner circle 4809 Posts |
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On May 30, 2022, eddie1 wrote: I think the point Gaz is making is, PRESENTATION, with confidence and performing it with NON Gaffed cards and then doing it with them, it works, I casually ask how some things go,just to hear what they think, NEVER in the many,many years have I been performing it ,have I been told GAFFED Cards,so I must be doing something right,again it's all down to presentation, the right wording, MENTALISM such an Art Forn , a Branch of Magic that really is using the right patter,wording and that word ,again PRESENTATION, get all this right and the results show for them self. Gaz is very well established on here and very knowledgeable so worth taking his advice. that's all I am saying. All the Best Shane |
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videoman Inner circle 6732 Posts |
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On May 30, 2022, Noobmaster69 wrote: Since you quoted me in a previous post I presume you are referring to me again when you wrote “ replying to a user who said he doesn't believe anybody suspects gaffed cards”. But to be clear I was referring specifically to a particular handling of this particular trick. What I actually said was that if a spectator were to witness two different displays at the end of this trick they wouldn’t automatically suspect gaffed cards. This is much different than how you seemed to have interpreted it as no one ever suspects gaffed cards period. Certainly people can and do suspect gaffs in some situations but as I believe Gaz mentioned, usually this is when performed by people who are new to magic, and especially if they are also very young. It sounds like you may be both of those things so certainly your family and friends will be aware that you didn’t suddenly gain magical powers, nor will they believe you quickly became an expert card handler, so this obviously leads them to suspect the cards. |
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Gaz Lawrence Inner circle 5991 Posts |
Thanks Shane that’s exactly what I was saying and meaning.
I also try to kill them with kindness so they are on my side from the off, however I am always in total control and I am very deceptive in making them believe. All that said if it’s entertaining and 95% of them are stunned that is good enough for me. Magical wishes to all. Gaz 😊 |
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