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charlie_d
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What’s the best way to cut four aces to the top of the deck, with corner shorts or short cards?

Are there any good references on this? Cutting them one by one is easy; what I want to do is covertly get the four aces to the top.
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Why not just use a multiple shift?
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I don’t think I was clear; Sorry. I mean, the spectator thoroughly shuffles the deck, then we move all four aces to the top of the deck covertly. I could just cull them, but I’d prefer to do it as cleanly as possible, in the action of shuffling and cutting the deck. The aces aren’t in play, so setting up for a multiple shift isn’t ideal for what I want to do.

The two methods I’ve used are (1) to cut an ace to the top, then cut and control each of the remaining three aces by controlling the top cards in three riffle shuffles, or (2) to cut an ace to the top, then cut to each remaining ace and slip it to the top in a gesture vaguely like a cut. (2) is dirtier but quicker and easier.

I’ve also tried simulating an overhand shuffle, cutting to the ace and slipping it to the top as the first move in the shuffle, then cutting the assembled aces to the top, and repeating this until I’ve got all four. That’s slow.

I was wondering if anyone here has any references or tips on cutting the aces like this, using short cards.
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Then cop the aces, hand it out for shuffling and add them back after. The only other way that makes sense to me would be to have them corner shorted and locate them via the method Vernon explained in one of his Inner Secrets books. It works for one card, might work with 4. Then cut them out as a group under a top card cover and finish with a slip cut to bury the X card.
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There are methods and then there are practical methods. The premise is the aces are distributed throughout the deck in unknown locations, having been shuffled fairly by the spectator. Gathering them together from that condition in a PRACTICAL manner is the key I think. Breathers would help you to cut to them, but one at a time, and you still have to shuffle in order to gather them together. Why shuffle yourself after they have been shuffled by the spectator? Doesn't that contribute to suspicion that you needed to in order to accomplish something? Ideally you would hand the pack to the volunteer, they shuffle until they are satisfied and then they hand it to you and you go right into the effect. Having to locate each ace and control them until they are assembled is an effect in itself if you know what I mean. I just don't see that working.

Palming them off, to me, is the solution. Otherwise, culling them as you spread through the cards to "prove" they are mixed, is an option. If you are expert at culling, then that's a workable solution.

The OP obviously felt that the aces could be prepared in a manner which would allow you to locate them, assemble and here's the important point, secretly. That's a tall order.
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Another obvious way if you insist on using prepared cards would be to use a stripper pack. Reverse the aces and let them shuffle to their heart's content. I would try to control the situation and encourage them to overhand shuffle only. I've seen people who, when they prepare to riffle shuffle, rotate the two packets and screw up the whole thing.

One way to encourage overhand shuffling is to do it yourself and/or pantomime the act of shuffling.
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I would go with corner shorts over short cards. It the spec happens to riffle shuffle them, a few stops at the short cards might occur and possibly make them curious. Much less chance of a spec doing a riffle of the corners.
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Charlie_d,
Sub Rosa by Jason England would allow you to accomplish cutting the aces after they are fairly distributed in the deck. The Steve Forte books are also a great source for ace cutting methods.
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Thanks for the tips folks; I have a method now.
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I will second sub Rosa by Jason England. The nice thing about negative strippers is you can make them yourself quite easy
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Does anyone sell n-stripper decks?
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On Jun 1, 2022, charlie_d wrote:
Thanks for the tips folks; I have a method now.


What did you ultimately settle on Charlie?
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The best way I’ve found is to cut a short to the top, then do a series of three riffle shuffles or faros to bring the remaining three shorts to the top. You may need to do a three-way cut in the middle to bring the short closer to the middle of the deck.

You need to be careful, but it looks fair.
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Does anyone sell n-stripper decks?


Yes, e.g. https://www.slimcardco.com/
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