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Dino Bondesan
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Juan Mayoral came up with his stuff to a lecture in Brazil.
He is amazing with eletronic magic, a big pyrotechnic. Most of his products uses led's, a floating cane with led's inside, his routine with dlite´s are also great. His canes are amazing but all the things were too expensive. He doesn´t use magic that need sleight of hand but his act is something that I have never seen before, something that made me cry! I'm not kidding.

So, comming back to the topic, in his lecture he said that he was the creator of the dlites...
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Hmm...

It was my impression that a patent can be taken away if there is proven to be "prior art" in the public domain that are the same thing. So, if there were performances using d'vices prior to Rocco "inventing" and patenting his, he would be on shaky ground. If such devices also use the same system of triggering the d'vice, this would be the patent killer.

For example, after "Little Nemo" creator Winsor McCay had developed animation, someone learned the process from him, and then got a patent. He sued McCay for violating the patent, and for using the processes that he himself had learned from Mccay. McCay proved that he had been using animated films from before the patent application date, and the patent was revoked, and animation put into the public domain.

I've been curious about what will happen if Rocco finally goes after someone for producing a d'vice. I think that he would be a fool to do so, because he would likely lose any court action based on his patent, and I think he knows it.

Incidentally, isn't it interesting that Rocco appears to also be ripping off Reed McClintock's Stars and Hexes? It looks that way, but it would be interesting to hear others' take on this.

The following link is to the relevant Genii forum. Please, moderators, allow this to be judged on its own merits, as it pertains to the discussion.

http://geniimagazine.com/forum/noncgi/ul......t=001440
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I made mine with a yellow LED fro radioshack. Cost about $5.00, and looks just like hot charcoal. Great fun for the BBQ.
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I've done a quick patent search and it doesn't seem to be listed, at least not in Europe. I guess that's the problem with patents, what is patented in the US can be ripped off elsewhere ...
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Actually, if Mayoral never patented his invention, then it makes no difference.

Maybe you should all read James Burke's Connections.

Example, in roughly 1974, several different people independently came up with the tip-out move with the thumb tip. It happened because of a precipitating event, the invention of the king sized Vernet thumb tip, which made it practical for the vanish of a silk.

Salvano was one, Jay Scott Berry was another, Harry Collins was yet another. Slydini had his own version of it as well. Each of them had invented it independently of the other. The same thing is probably true of D'Lites.

Rocco had one special advantage over everyone else with D'Lites. D'Lites had no patent of record anywhere that could be searched by the US Patent Office. He hired an attorney, got the search done and paid the fee.

If all of these other fellows felt that Rocco had violated some kind of agreement or whatever, they should have sued him. Their attorneys probably advised them that they didn't have a case.
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My sister gave me a set of the D'Lites for Christmas. I love them! Great thing about them is that there are a thousand-and-one ways to use them. The TT updated for the high-tech age!
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I remember when a magic dealer performed it for me years ago I thought it was amazing. I even ended up buying them but I found out it wasn't as easy as he made it look and that it wasn't really suited for me, but when someone can perform it skilfully it is beautiful to watch.
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One thing I have been told with a patent, is that you have to describe how something is made in the patent and it then becomes public knowledge for someone else to make. It just makes money for the lawyers when you have to fight this.
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On 2011-02-05 22:50, Dan Ford wrote:
One thing I have been told with a patent, is that you have to describe how something is made in the patent and it then becomes public knowledge for someone else to make. It just makes money for the lawyers when you have to fight this.


Yes, that's true. You have to submit a detailed drawing as well as all of the sources that you can find. That's the law. Even though the application becomes public knowledge, it does not allow other people to make the item.

You have probably seen the phrase "patent applied for" or an abbreviation of it on some item you have recently purchased. This is a warning for those who want to knock off your idea that you have registered your material and you are expecting the patent process to succeed.

Many magicians have patented various items they either made, invented or otherwise created. One example is John Gaughan's "Flying." I guarantee that very few people could make one of these in their garage.
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I am not concerned with making and selling them (and patents) ................I just enjoy the device and think it is a really great item. I have had lots of fun with mine !!!!
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On 2011-12-04 17:07, Bill Palmer wrote:
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On 2011-02-05 22:50, Dan Ford wrote:
One thing I have been told with a patent, is that you have to describe how something is made in the patent and it then becomes public knowledge for someone else to make. It just makes money for the lawyers when you have to fight this.


Yes, that's true. You have to submit a detailed drawing as well as all of the sources that you can find. That's the law. Even though the application becomes public knowledge, it does not allow other people to make the item.

You have probably seen the phrase "patent applied for" or an abbreviation of it on some item you have recently purchased. This is a warning for those who want to knock off your idea that you have registered your material and you are expecting the patent process to succeed.

Many magicians have patented various items they either made, invented or otherwise created. One example is John Gaughan's "Flying." I guarantee that very few people could make one of these in their garage.


Trust me, no one would have the patience to make my type of eggs, even if they knew how to make them, but I will still keep it to myself.
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I`m a working full time magician, need a good quality and reliable prop, Juan is the inventor, Rocco is the one patent it, china ones are so much brighter and better quality. which one should I buy from?
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I was recently at a Chinese site and came across, Mayoral's, "Meteors" trick for $46.00. I did a check with the Lota Bowl search browser and came up with the same trick for $400 to $500. The Chinese site uses the same exact picture that is displayed for the expensive version.
I have no interest in purchasing either version but was quite shocked at the difference in price.
In so far as the question asked above, "which one shall I buy" - anyone care to hazard a guess which one he will buy?

BTW, the description of the trick on the Chinese site is an exact copy of the original description.
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On 12 October 1995 a Roger C. Mayfarth of Linden, New Jersey applied for a U.S. patent on a "Pressure actuated light with digit accommodating housing means.......

I know a little about Dlite's having worked at a magic zone hawking D'Lites, met Roger Mayfarth and Rocco and have featured D'lites in my act for over 10 years

I don't know the history of magic performed with lights at the fingertips prior to Mayfarth and D'Lites. The best I can make out Mayfarth starting producing D'lites as we know them now, got the patent (he's had a few ideas and some spin off products but nothing as popular) and brought Rocco along to be the face of his effects. Mayfarth and Rocco are both are intelligent, as nice as can be in person and Rocco is hilarious. The character you see when he performs is really Rocco. Many people myself included could tell great stories about Rocco. My story isn't proper for an open forum but nothing bad.

The D'lite is a great device for many performers and their marketing is genius (weather you agree with it or not).

Occasionally I run across an audience member who knows what they are but I've a an additional effect in the act that adds to the routine. I perform D'lites for all age and adult audiences, including corporate gigs.

Have gotten some crazy responses as to where the light actually comes from including lasers in the ceiling and walls that track my hands ... if only
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