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You could always use a one way mirror with a tv on the backside and a remote triggered prop controller to activate the video sequence. Same technique used for at most FX… BUT.. instead of using the cheesy, whimsical videos they have, you could make your own by maybe recording a figure in front of a green screen and removing the background so when it’s triggered, only the person is seen. You’d def have to do some trial and error. I’d imagine the person would need to be a whitish/blue figure to pop through the mirror and stand out but I’d like it to be subtle so I’m thinking 2 layers of mirrors so something barely comes through. A non descript figure. Maybe solid white silhouette with a flowy dress and barely fades in and then leaves. Maybe a single one way mirror and a layer of 1 way film over the tv would work. I may have to experiment this myself (I’m a haunt set designer and prop maker for the haunted industry).

Anything too discernible will look exactly like what it is.. a haunt prop. But if you get it very very faint, it may play well.
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But unfortunately, the actor would not look like the deceased photo whose spirit I want to conjure through mirror to communicate with us?


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On Jun 25, 2022, Dark3rz wrote:
Thank you so much for this tips. Highly appreciated. Nice concept. Just like a hologram but what should be used to create the fake spirit and question and answer audio? Do you have any video or YouTube link to this? I was thinking of using a stooge behind the mirror for this performance. What do you think?

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FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY ... small, cheap android tablet placed into a wooden frame, edited video of room you will be in from the mirrors point of view, fading into the spirit, same room, same point of view, fading back to room. Shoot the video through a cloudy/distressed/distorted pane of glass. Trigger the video play with bluetooth.


I don't have a link or video. As for the spirit, I would use an actor. When shooting the video the actor can speak answers to your questions with pauses between, giving you time to ask the next question. Hope this makes sense Smile
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This is a very complex technique which will be very difficult for me to make as I am not technically inclined. A tutorial video will be highly appreciated

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You could always use a one way mirror with a tv on the backside and a remote triggered prop controller to activate the video sequence. Same technique used for at most FX… BUT.. instead of using the cheesy, whimsical videos they have, you could make your own by maybe recording a figure in front of a green screen and removing the background so when it’s triggered, only the person is seen. You’d def have to do some trial and error. I’d imagine the person would need to be a whitish/blue figure to pop through the mirror and stand out but I’d like it to be subtle so I’m thinking 2 layers of mirrors so something barely comes through. A non descript figure. Maybe solid white silhouette with a flowy dress and barely fades in and then leaves. Maybe a single one way mirror and a layer of 1 way film over the tv would work. I may have to experiment this myself (I’m a haunt set designer and prop maker for the haunted industry).

Anything too discernible will look exactly like what it is.. a haunt prop. But if you get it very very faint, it may play well.
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FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY ... small, cheap android tablet placed into a wooden frame, edited video of room you will be in from the mirrors point of view, fading into the spirit, same room, same point of view, fading back to room. Shoot the video through a cloudy/distressed/distorted pane of glass. Trigger the video play with bluetooth.


Thank you so much for this tips. Highly appreciated. Nice concept. Just like a hologram but what should be used to create the fake spirit and question and answer audio? Do you have any video or YouTube link to this? I was thinking of using a stooge behind the mirror for this performance. What do you think?


I don't have a link or video. As for the spirit, I would use an actor. When shooting the video the actor can speak answers to your questions with pauses between, giving you time to ask the next question. Hope this makes sense Smile

But unfortunately, the actor would not look like the deceased photo whose spirit I want to conjure through mirror to communicate with us?

Why the fixation on using a photo of a spectators deceased relative?
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To save being sued, consider using the photo of someone and create a fictitious character for it... IMHO
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You can even have AI create a photo of someone who doesn't actually exist:

https://this-person-does-not-exist.com/en
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You can even have AI create a photo of someone who doesn't actually exist:

https://this-person-does-not-exist.com/en


Cool - nice share! Of course, it may be creating AI people who will invade from the mutliverse!
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Thanks for suggesting AI for this routine but how do I animate the still AI photo and make it speak through mirror? Because Mirrors are flat and long horizontally which makes it impossible to fit into TV vertical frames

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You can even have AI create a photo of someone who doesn't actually exist:

https://this-person-does-not-exist.com/en
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Please which episode has Mirror séance?

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The Mentalist TV show had something similar.....
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Thanks for suggesting AI for this routine but how do I animate the still AI photo and make it speak through mirror? Because Mirrors are flat and long horizontally which makes it impossible to fit into TV vertical frames

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On Sep 3, 2022, Philemon Vanderbeck wrote:
You can even have AI create a photo of someone who doesn't actually exist:

https://this-person-does-not-exist.com/en


Rotate the video monitor 90 degrees so that it's in "portrait" mode?.

As for animation, you can use After Effects to morph the photo so it appears to be talking. Depending on your skill, it will be somewhat "off," but that might add to the eeriness of the effect. You can also disguise some of the uncanny valley by using appropriate filters.
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Thank you for your brilliant idea. I know how to morph photos. I will use tablet for this but how do I convert tablet or video monitor to look exactly like a mirror?

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On Sep 6, 2022, Dark3rz wrote:
Thanks for suggesting AI for this routine but how do I animate the still AI photo and make it speak through mirror? Because Mirrors are flat and long horizontally which makes it impossible to fit into TV vertical frames

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On Sep 3, 2022, Philemon Vanderbeck wrote:
You can even have AI create a photo of someone who doesn't actually exist:

https://this-person-does-not-exist.com/en


Rotate the video monitor 90 degrees so that it's in "portrait" mode?.

As for animation, you can use After Effects to morph the photo so it appears to be talking. Depending on your skill, it will be somewhat "off," but that might add to the eeriness of the effect. You can also disguise some of the uncanny valley by using appropriate filters.
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[quote]On Sep 11, 2022, Dark3rz wrote:
Thank you for your brilliant idea. I know how to morph photos. I will use tablet for this but how do I convert tablet or video monitor to look exactly like a mirror?

Put a frame around it, oval if possible, and say it is a scrying mirror, since that is how you are using it. The face of a scrying mirror is normally dark. You can even show pictures of scrying mirrors or make a fake ad showing the mirror you have. If you do an oval or round mirror, you can even put a bubble glass over the tablet. Tha possibilities are endless.
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Of course, the easiest way to get the sitter to see apparitions is have a tea party prior and slip a little LSD into the pot. They will see apparitions all over the place.
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1. How do you control a group of persons to see the same ghost and hear the same ghost voice in group séance with LSD?

2. Is LSD not an illegal drug punishable by the law if found in one’s possession?

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Of course, the easiest way to get the sitter to see apparitions is have a tea party prior and slip a little LSD into the pot. They will see apparitions all over the place.
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Extremely brilliant idea. Thank you so much for this. Highly appreciated and forever grateful !!!

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On Sep 11, 2022, Dark3rz wrote:
Thank you for your brilliant idea. I know how to morph photos. I will use tablet for this but how do I convert tablet or video monitor to look exactly like a mirror?

Put a frame around it, oval if possible, and say it is a scrying mirror, since that is how you are using it. The face of a scrying mirror is normally dark. You can even show pictures of scrying mirrors or make a fake ad showing the mirror you have. If you do an oval or round mirror, you can even put a bubble glass over the tablet. Tha possibilities are endless.
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1. How do you control a group of persons to see the same ghost and hear the same ghost voice in group séance with LSD?

2. Is LSD not an illegal drug punishable by the law if found in one’s possession?

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Of course, the easiest way to get the sitter to see apparitions is have a tea party prior and slip a little LSD into the pot. They will see apparitions all over the place.


Obviously, you may have missed the point I was trying to make or I missed yours. Miscommunication is normal between spiritual worlds. Why not just scrap all the electronics and manipulation and let the spirits do the work? Of course, we all know being dead is like being on vacation and none of us want to be disturbed on vacation. A recording is about all we get when we call them.
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I learn everyday and I respect people’s opinion. From your own perceptive, do you think real séance can be conducted without gimmicks / tricks through psychedelic and hypnosis suggestions? If yes, I will be more than grateful if you can share some of your personal experiences here.

Because as for me, it’s only somnambulists I have successfully made to see and hear their deceased talk to them through hypnosis suggestions and cold reading. And the experience was Philomena but it took so much time. And that’s why I’m seeking gimmicks to replicate the same effect on non somnambulists with no time wasted.


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On Sep 13, 2022, Dark3rz wrote:
1. How do you control a group of persons to see the same ghost and hear the same ghost voice in group séance with LSD?

2. Is LSD not an illegal drug punishable by the law if found in one’s possession?

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On Sep 12, 2022, weepinwil wrote:
Of course, the easiest way to get the sitter to see apparitions is have a tea party prior and slip a little LSD into the pot. They will see apparitions all over the place.


Obviously, you may have missed the point I was trying to make or I missed yours. Miscommunication is normal between spiritual worlds. Why not just scrap all the electronics and manipulation and let the spirits do the work? Of course, we all know being dead is like being on vacation and none of us want to be disturbed on vacation. A recording is about all we get when we call them.
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Please do you have ideas on how to remotely turn on and off tablets or video monitors without physical contact?

Because the tablets / video monitors I know don’t have remote controls.

It will be suspicious to the sitters if I touch the gimmick mirror before the ghost appears.


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On Sep 6, 2022, Dark3rz wrote:
Thanks for suggesting AI for this routine but how do I animate the still AI photo and make it speak through mirror? Because Mirrors are flat and long horizontally which makes it impossible to fit into TV vertical frames

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On Sep 3, 2022, Philemon Vanderbeck wrote:
You can even have AI create a photo of someone who doesn't actually exist:

https://this-person-does-not-exist.com/en


Rotate the video monitor 90 degrees so that it's in "portrait" mode?.

As for animation, you can use After Effects to morph the photo so it appears to be talking. Depending on your skill, it will be somewhat "off," but that might add to the eeriness of the effect. You can also disguise some of the uncanny valley by using appropriate filters.
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I learn everyday and I respect people’s opinion. From your own perceptive, do you think real séance can be conducted without gimmicks / tricks through psychedelic and hypnosis suggestions? If yes, I will be more than grateful if you can share some of your personal experiences here.

Because as for me, it’s only somnambulists I have successfully made to see and hear their deceased talk to them through hypnosis suggestions and cold reading. And the experience was Philomena but it took so much time. And that’s why I’m seeking gimmicks to replicate the same effect on non somnambulists with no time wasted.


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On Sep 13, 2022, Dark3rz wrote:
1. How do you control a group of persons to see the same ghost and hear the same ghost voice in group séance with LSD?

2. Is LSD not an illegal drug punishable by the law if found in one’s possession?

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On Sep 12, 2022, weepinwil wrote:
Of course, the easiest way to get the sitter to see apparitions is have a tea party prior and slip a little LSD into the pot. They will see apparitions all over the place.


Obviously, you may have missed the point I was trying to make or I missed yours. Miscommunication is normal between spiritual worlds. Why not just scrap all the electronics and manipulation and let the spirits do the work? Of course, we all know being dead is like being on vacation and none of us want to be disturbed on vacation. A recording is about all we get when we call them.


Yes. Years ago, I did it with nothing more than a candle and a dark setting. Scared me and 4 sitters S-less. Never done it sense.
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I learn everyday and I respect people’s opinion. From your own perceptive, do you think real séance can be conducted without gimmicks / tricks through psychedelic and hypnosis suggestions? If yes, I will be more than grateful if you can share some of your personal experiences here.


You might want to check out "The Roxanne Effect" by Brynmore for this sort of thing.

https://www.geminiartifacts.com/products......c9&_ss=r
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