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On Aug 2, 2022, Bernice wrote:
I unreservedly trust UnbiasedMagicReview's opinion on anything magic-related WAY above those of the couple of magic info product sellers in this thread.


Good for you. If you are finding value in his channel that's great. I prefer Magic Orthodoxy, Jeff Stone, Real Magic Reviews, Michael O'brien, Tyler Lunsford, the Jerx, and the Wizard Product Review. They all have their limitations of course and for the most part they are upfront a clear about their place in the magic community, their perspective and any possible biases they might have.

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And I'm positive hundreds of other magicians who watch UMR reviews would agree with me.


Perhaps. In this instance, I do not agree.

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Whenever an established magic info product seller gets called out, their cabal of hopeful fawning shills always come out of the woodwork.


That's not what's happening here. There are several things in the review of Spidey's lecture I felt needed to be corrected because they seemed to be misleading.

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UMR is the most valuable source of information on what magic I should or should not spend my hard earned money. He saves me money.


I prefer to hear as many reviews about a product as I can before I purchase it as well.


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You shills waste my money. Your attempts at trying to school him for giving his opinion is embarrassingly transparent of what you value most: monetizable connections over integrity.


I don't want you to spend your money on anything.

I'm not trying to school anyone. My intent was to clarify the review so that it more accurately reflected what was covered in the lecture. I've striven to be as honest as possible talking about the review at the expense of possibly burning bridges with Unbiased Magic Reviews and his followers.
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In the second effect, I agree that the presentation is a personal preference but what Unbiased Magic Reviews claims is just untrue. He claims that you can no longer hand the pad to the spectator to make their decision. You can hand the pad to the spectator if that's how you want to make the selection. You also have the opportunity here to ask a spectator for a number and you can cleanly turn to that page if that's what you want to do.

Well technically you can hand the pad to the spectator, just make sure they don't see the number related to specific item when displaying. If they see number 5 is an apple, and then open to number 5 and see a different item, you will be in trouble.


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In effect 4 Unbiased Magic Reviews makes the claim that no top mentalist would use a presentation like this. This is untrue. Many top mentalists use similar presentations and I would consider Spidey to be a top mentalist. He's appeared on Fool Us, Wizard Wars, Masters of Illusion, the Discovery Channel, and more. If he's not a top mentalist I'm not sure who else would qualify.

The line here that I find disrespectful was that the premise belongs at a child's birthday party. First, if you want to do mentalism at a child's birthday party I think that's a fine thing to do. There are hundreds of birthday party magicians doing very well for themselves. Second, it's clear that this isn't Spidey's intended audience here, this statement feels like it's just meant to insult the creator of the routine.


Spidey sure is top mentalist. Family Show would be a better terms than Child's birthday party. Again this is a matter of taste, similar to A.B.See, it will have good impact when using with right audience.

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Harsh criticism is fine, in this thread I have been a fairly harsh critic of the Unbiased Magic Review channel. I don't love the reviews on the channel because they tend to be misleading, the claim that the spectator can no longer hold the pad and flip through the pages is not true, and the claim that the match routine is not original is unsubstantiated. In this particular review, I didn't find the advice Unbiased Magic Reviews gave as helpful. The match routine would be the prime example of this, as would be the advice to avoid the ESP routine because according to Unbiased Magic Reviews "it doesn't end clean". All you have to do to clean up is gather the cards into a pile, this is well within the skill level of just about anyone and would be a strange reason to avoid the routine for most.


UMR actually like the presentation of ESP routine, and so do I. Did he say "It doesn't end clean"? I may have miss it, you may be referring to "The Last Revelation doesn't look very clean"
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Josh Burch, you make many excellent points. Well said.

Agree entirely that people considering this lecture should read as many reviews as possible.

Here are the reviews from verified buyers who actually purchased this lecture. As of this posting, there are 41 five star reviews, including mine:

https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/17196#reviews

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Hey Guys.......Is any of this applicable to stage work? I can't really tell from the trailer.

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I could sit here and argue all day with Mr. Burch as he has missed several points starting with the match effect from the jinx but its not even worth my time!


Which point did I miss?

You mention in your review that in the Jinx effect the spectator can start out with a random number of matches in the matchbook. Spidey's routine is robust enough that if you want the spectator to remove a bunch of matches out the outset and place them in their pocket they can.
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If we were to watch a magician on television perform a match prediction which would be more direct? A mathematical process (if there are 15 matches left remove 1 for the digit 1, and 5 for the digit 5) culminating in a peek, or a squeaky clean prediction where the magician removes a few matches in a matchbook, then the spectator does the same and they count them?

It's clear that Spidey's is cleaner in almost every sense. Cleaner in presentation. Cleaner process. Every move and part of the process is well motivated. The trade-off is a common gimmick that most of us own and are already comfortable with using.


Spidey's routine is definitely not cleaner by any means. As I mentioned in my review. It looks very suspicious as he slowly takes out each match and the position of his hand just telegraphs what is inside. It would be "cleaner" if he just opened his hand to show what is inside.
The last match requires you to do the move we have all seen so many times and how he has to 'hide' his hand afterwards just reeks!
This is not as 'clean' as A Divination with Matches which can also be found in Anneman's Practical Mental Effects for those interested.
Let me help you understand what "Clean" means. That means you end without any gimmicks that can be found!
If I could immediately see the telegraphed method from a mile away when I first watched the performance, then I suspect many others would too.

Yes - there is a procedure that is necessary with the effect by DeMuth and you may not like it, but you can't argue that at the culmination of the effect you can show the spectator that you either influenced them or predicted ahead of time the amount of matches they would end up with in their hand.
No funny moves, no suspicious weird removing of matches. Just opening up your hand FIRST before the spectator.
Spidey's routine falls flat if the spectator requests that the performer first show them their matches.

It has NOTHING to do with comfort. It is the structure of the routine that I didn't like. You are entitled to disagree with me - that's fine and you are entitled to your opinion but you can't tell me that this is a cleaner effect.
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UMR actually like the presentation of ESP routine, and so do I. Did he say "It doesn't end clean"? I may have miss it, you may be referring to "The Last Revelation doesn't look very clean"


Here is why-> Spidey gather's up his cards and so does the participant for the revelations. He asks Chris to put their first card face up - and then he does so showing a match. He then has the participant Chris deal their next three cards face up. Spidey of course matches suit and those three match. Now they each have one card left in their hands. The most natural thing would be just to have them deal this last card face up and follow suit. Unfortunately, he can't just show that last card. That's the flaw!! There is this completely unnatural procedure of gathering up the cards because he has to place his card on top of his other ones before he can show the last one. This is exactly the same as when a magician has to go back to the deck for no good reason. That discrepancy may not bother some people. I don't like it at all. There are MUCH better versions of ESP matching routines like Rhine's Revenge where you end completely clean and is just as convincing. The reason why I am so critical of this is because I firmly believe that if you are offering magic to the community and charging people money for it - hopefully you are offering improvements on existing plots/effects/routines. I thought the presentation of the effect was excellent but the execution is less desirable. Am I too critical? NO! That's why I review magic. To give people the info that you won't know until you purchase the product and learn the hard way.
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In the second effect, I agree that the presentation is a personal preference but what Unbiased Magic Reviews claims is just untrue. He claims that you can no longer hand the pad to the spectator to make their decision. You can hand the pad to the spectator if that's how you want to make the selection. You also have the opportunity here to ask a spectator for a number and you can cleanly turn to that page if that's what you want to do.

Well technically you can hand the pad to the spectator, just make sure they don't see the number related to specific item when displaying. If they see number 5 is an apple, and then open to number 5 and see a different item, you will be in trouble.



What I stated is TRUE! If you attempt to perform this as Spidey does - you have a notebook with 20 pages and ask them to think of a number and name it. YOU CANT HAND THEM the PAD AND ASK THEM TO GO TO THAT PAGE. Obviously, they will find the secret as the flip pages one by one. I'm laughing that people are actually trying to argue this. You may believe that adding numbers to the pad and having the ability to let the spetator name any number as strong but this can NEVER be stronger than just handing them the pad and telling them to flip to any page they want. Nothing beats letting the spectator may the selection in their own hands which is why I stated in my review that Spidey's idea doesn't improve the gaff at all.
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Whenever an established magic info product seller gets called out, their cabal of hopeful fawning shills always come out of the woodwork.


I completely agree. With just a simple search of Josh Burch's products on Penguin Magic we can find his product "Wordalism". Check out who has endorsed it ->

"Wordalism is a very cool adaptation of a classic principle with a modern and relevant theme that your audiences will get excited about. Great job Josh!" -Spidey

https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/17463
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Wow! I’m surprised with the negative review. As a professional magician and mentalist, I find Spidey’s thinking here to be out of the box and exciting. His use of card magic and sleights as related to mentalism are controversial, but to be honest, they are awesome. Most people won’t recognize the moves as card moves since the “cards” are double blank and seem to most to be index cards. People get way too caught up in “you can’t use card magic as a mentalist”. I completely disagree. Do what you do, but why limit yourself. I do what makes people respond (whatever that may be at the time). I’ve performed a few of the routines at The Magic Castle with excellent results and feedback. I feel like this video was worth every penny and I’m happy to give it a positive review. I’ve not seen much of Spidey’s work in the past, but I was blown away with A.B. See and could not wait to get my hands on his lecture. Both come with high words of praise from me.


Well said, Magicbrady. Agree with your review 100%. As you say, Spidey's thinking is out of the box and exciting. Also agree that A.B. See is another fantastic release. Not surprising that it won trick of the year.

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Spidey's Penguin Live Lecture was an absolute gold mine of incredible mentalism. I honestly don't even know where to begin. In my opinion, his work on the Sven Pad alone is worth the price of the lecture twice over. I have already adapted mine with my own routine and it is the cleanest and most deceptive force using a pad EVER, and removes all of the potential issues of having the participant operate the pad – Spidey, you're a genius.

Ouija will destroy every audience and participant you perform this to. The structure of this routine is brilliant and a séance-style routine that packs as flat as three playing cards is amazing.

His EPS Match routine is super smart and fooling. Match-Match takes advantage of a classic method and uses it to create a very simple, yet direct prediction effect. Some of the routines, like Heroes, are light-hearted and fun presentationally while others are more serious and more intimate that literally has his participants gasping and leaving their seats to return to the audience because they couldn't believe what they were experiencing (this happened several times in lecture to real laymen). There is something for everyone on this lecture with a wide diversity of effects and presentations.

His cold reading tips at the end are concepts I have never heard any other mentalist explain and tip before. They are brilliant, easy to understand and filled with tons of real-world experience, knowledge and education. Some could argue that this section on the lecture is worth the entire price and then some – I wouldn't disagree.

One of my favourite things about Spidey is that he is also a really kick-ass magician and I LOVE that he brings his magic thinking to his mentalism when it comes to sleights, props and methods. As a card magician first and foremost, I really appreciate this as I am sure a lot of you do as well. Double blank playing card stock to replace traditional billets is so smart. Why not make your life easier and use a prop we all handle every day and are comfortable manipulating? To the audience, they are just blank pieces of card stock and in no way does it detract from the routine and presentation. They are simply index cards, nothing more.

Do yourself a favour and ignore the negative feedback you may have read on this thread and check out Spidey's lecture for yourself. Then come back here and reply to this post with your thoughts and lets chat about all the killer ideas we learned!


Kyleleon, great review! I agree wholeheartedly with what you wrote. Not much has been said about the cold reading section of this lecture, and I agree that some of the tips and concepts Spidey shared are truly valuable and worth the price of the lecture alone. The C*****E method he taught is something most viewers have probably never seen or heard of before, and it is killer. I'm going to write more on that one concept later. But it is a powerful technique that allows one to give a very accurate and detailed reading without any memorized lines. I do hope Spidey comes back for another lecture that explores his approaches to cold reading even further.

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Hey Guys.......Is any of this applicable to stage work? I can't really tell from the trailer.

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The effects were primarily close-up routines. The cold reading tools taught could be used to enhance many stage routines.

For the purposes of the lecture, the live close-up performances were presented in a small theater with a live audience. I wasn't there, but I assume the theater audience was watching the close up action on large monitors.

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The C*****E method he taught is something most viewers have probably never seen or heard of before, and it is killer. I'm going to write more on that one concept later. But it is a powerful technique that allows one to give a very accurate and detailed reading without any memorized lines. I do hope Spidey comes back for another lecture that explores his approaches to cold reading even further.
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If you are referring to C**P**E method, I am pretty sure I have seen it multiple time before from Luke Jermay Tarot Psychometry and Premise and Premonition, Kenton Knepper Wonder reading (and wonder word?), Millard Longman Psychic Experience and some more esoteric publication. And yes, it is a good technique and I have been using it with great success, it is so magical that transform me from a total non-believer mentalist into an open minded psychic entertainer, the Travel Soon experience that Spidey describe is something logic cannot explain, it is like real magic.
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[quote]On Aug 2, 2022, KyleLeon wrote:
In my opinion, his work on the Sven Pad alone is worth the price of the lecture twice over.

I agree with you on that. I perform a routine that uses a Sven Pad, and I think adding Spidey's suggestion will enhance that part for me. Several of the other routines just don't fit what I do, nor my performance style.
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In the second effect, I agree that the presentation is a personal preference but what Unbiased Magic Reviews claims is just untrue. He claims that you can no longer hand the pad to the spectator to make their decision. You can hand the pad to the spectator if that's how you want to make the selection. You also have the opportunity here to ask a spectator for a number and you can cleanly turn to that page if that's what you want to do.

Well technically you can hand the pad to the spectator, just make sure they don't see the number related to specific item when displaying. If they see number 5 is an apple, and then open to number 5 and see a different item, you will be in trouble.



What I stated is TRUE! If you attempt to perform this as Spidey does - you have a notebook with 20 pages and ask them to think of a number and name it. YOU CANT HAND THEM the PAD AND ASK THEM TO GO TO THAT PAGE. Obviously, they will find the secret as the flip pages one by one. I'm laughing that people are actually trying to argue this. You may believe that adding numbers to the pad and having the ability to let the spetator name any number as strong but this can NEVER be stronger than just handing them the pad and telling them to flip to any page they want. Nothing beats letting the spectator may the selection in their own hands which is why I stated in my review that Spidey's idea doesn't improve the gaff at all.


Well that's just a misunderstanding. What Josh originally referring to is using a Numbered Svenpad the standard way (like a non-numbered svenpad), thought I have already point out the additional number may hinder the use of it in a standard way.
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The C*****E method he taught is something most viewers have probably never seen or heard of before, and it is killer. I'm going to write more on that one concept later. But it is a powerful technique that allows one to give a very accurate and detailed reading without any memorized lines. I do hope Spidey comes back for another lecture that explores his approaches to cold reading even further.
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If you are referring to C**P**E method, I am pretty sure I have seen it multiple time before from Luke Jermay Tarot Psychometry and Premise and Premonition, Kenton Knepper Wonder reading (and wonder word?), Millard Longman Psychic Experience and some more esoteric publication. And yes, it is a good technique and I have been using it with great success, it is so magical that transform me from a total non-believer mentalist into an open minded psychic entertainer, the Travel Soon experience that Spidey describe is something logic cannot explain, it is like real magic.


Yes, I'm referring to the C**P**E method. I've only seen something similar in one esoteric publication, but I don't have most of the products you mention. Agree it is really good and I also have used it will great success.

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Hi Guys

Brett Barry here, creator of the SVENPAD(R) line of products. The name is a registered worldwide TRADEMARK, and sven pad is not a generic name - just to clarify.

I watched the UnbiasedMagicReview video today and read some of the comments here. Fun times on the Café!

Yeah, I guess I'm "biased" since I am the manufacturer of these popular utility props.

But I know a few things having made more than 10,700 comments here at the Magic Café going back near 2+ decades compared to Dr. UnbiasedMagic who arrived in 2017 and has a meager 270 posts here and trying mightily to build his YouTube audience.

1. I agree with the majority here and on Penguin (over 47 reviews) that Spidey's Penguin lecture was one of the best, 5 stars and the material overall strong/ ideas excellent

2. I'm not going to get into a long trolling debate with UnbiasedMagicReviews. I'm not going to debate him point by point (yawn) - I will just say that he has every right to his opinions, although he's obviously in the minority other than his fans on his YouTube channel. Consumers will be the final arbiter, but the reviews on this lecture and sales of it indicate it is a clear winner. The review doesn't do justice to the quality of it, and there is ZERO CHANCE that it will be sold at $9.00 lol. Weird comment, but whatever it takes I guess to juice up one's YouTube audience.

3. BUT I can tell you as the creator and manufacturer of the SVENPAD(R) that the Spidey idea/technique for numbering pages (used in his "Elementary" routine in the lecture) which Spidey generously shared on our private FaceBook group in 2018 was truly groundbreaking and embraced by pros (like Oz Pearlman, Justin Willman, Lior Manor, Chipper Lowell, Chris Kenner, Bruce Gold, and Jay Alexander among hundreds more) + some famous people I'm not allowed to mention who are using this privately AND hobbyists.

On our Facebook private page we have over 500+ likes and 437 comments for the original video where Spidey GENEROUSLY tipped this killer method. In fact it remains the #1 most popular idea EVER shared on the group. What do these people know that our amateur UnbiasedMagic reviewer perhaps doesn't?

Everyone has a right to their opinions for sure - it's just that a few experienced people plain disagree with you lol. What do THEY have to say about Spidey's numbering system ideas?


"What a genius idea. So kind of you to share it. Thank you. Devastatingly deceptive."
Nicholas Einhorn (co-creator of DFB)

"This is !@#$*** awesome. *** you Spidey for being so clever."
Chris Kenner

"Thanks Spidey. Excellent thinking. Really excellent. Thanks so much for sharing. It's one of the most deceptive ideas I've come across in a long time. Caught me! Thanks!"
Steve Thompson

"I really love this idea. So clever and deceptive and fair as you say. Well done mister!"
Angelo Carbone

"Stunningly beautiful"
Paul Brook

"Very nice!!!"
Michael Murray

"Beautiful!"
Chris Philpott

"Great idea!"
Mark Strivings

"By far my favorite use of a SvenPad. You should put out a collection of ideas using this method."
Karl Koppertop

"Clever, Spidey!"
Chad Long

"That. Is. !@#$**. Brilliant."
Bill Cook

"Been doing this from day one.....
just kidding. You’re a genius!!"
Bobby Motta

"Very Good"
Rune Carlsen

So if Mr. UnbiasedMagic Review guy doesn't like this method - he's clearly in the minority, but like any magic idea or technique - you can choose to use it or not.

But lets not poo-poo the cleverness, brute strength and brilliance of Spidey's IDEA. The idea was a game changer. That's an undisputed fact.

Without getting into the weeds too much, a similar idea to Spidey's was used back in 2011 for my partner Mike Maione's original Celebrity Presage and later in Paul Romhaney & Mike Maione's "Calendar Presage" https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S21140

However Spidey independently came up with this idea in 2018 using a not a book or calendar but a blank SVENPAD? - and the idea DID hit the magic community like an earthquake for those who knew the secret.

My good friend OZ used this system to killer effect on ESPN a few years ago - as one of many examples out in the real world on TV and stages:




As a full time creator/mentalist & performer I agree that using a SVENPAD(R) in the usual hands-free way plays more of a mind reading effect rather than a prediction effect. A variation of this clever system (my own) was used to create the 2019 CELEBRITY PRESAGE book test. I took Mike's 2011 book test idea combined with Spidey's 2018 ideas and created a brand new method which helped make the CP books one of the #1 book tests ever.

The beauty of Spidey's generous and innovative idea was that it gave performers a brand new alternative way of using this utility prop - and it opened up a creative new WORLD of thinking that has made a huge impact. The pad is a utility device that can be made in any language and used for any routine. Some will use it as a magic prediction, some will prefer to use it for mind reading. For the reviewer to say that DFB is better than Spidey's idea is just dumb really - I love DFB and use it often, but bringing out a phone also brings out it's own potential weaknesses. But I love having different tools to choose from. Spidey's idea was and is a GAME CHANGER Smile

In any event I felt obligated to make ONE lengthy comment here because the reviewer guy is wrong - and it seems he wants to keep defending his own poor review with pseudo-intellectual long winded babble, even though so many people here have explained to him WHY his "unbiased" review of Spidey's lecture was just plain wrong.

On a side note I think MagicOrthodoxy is putting out some of the best reviews these days! I'm no shill and anyone here knows I call 'em as I see 'em.

Cheers to everyone, and have a great weekend!
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Mr. Barry,

Great to see the guy who has made so much money standing on the shoulders of Burling Hull chime in here.

Yes - you are biased as you have a direct monetary gain by people buying your product that is necessary to perform said effect from this lecture.

To help clarify your misconceptions, I am not trying to 'build' up my youtube channel. LOL. If I really wanted to do that, I would be putting out magic reviews daily. Instead, I try to put out reviews to help magic consumers after careful analysis, comparisons, and road testing of magic products.

Unlike other magic review channels that are unboxers, magic promoters, advertisers, and PAID employees of magic companies (by getting free magic products sent to them) - I am not getting anything out of this other than the satisfaction to help consumers. I actually road test the material I review. Watch some of my reviews and you will see actual live performances.

I don't apologize for existing here and giving my own opinion. The fact that you vehemently tried to defend this magic lecture assures me that my review has definitely helped people. The way you personally try to attack and bully me by pointing out my 'meager' posts is funny. I got a real laugh out of that. Made me think that a Sage Café Member must be someone with 10,701 posts.

If you don't like my reviews and my opinions - no worries - move on. You don't have to watch them. People aren't dumb though. They realize what magic review channels are paid advertisements and those that are not.
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On Aug 5, 2022, saysold1 wrote:
Hi Guys

Brett Barry here, creator of the SVENPAD(R) line of products. The name is a registered worldwide TRADEMARK, and sven pad is not a generic name - just to clarify.

I watched the UnbiasedMagicReview video today and read some of the comments here. Fun times on the Café!

Yeah, I guess I'm "biased" since I am the manufacturer of these popular utility props.

But I know a few things having made more than 10,700 comments here at the Magic Café going back near 2+ decades compared to Dr. UnbiasedMagic who arrived in 2017 and has a meager 270 posts here and trying mightily to build his YouTube audience.

1. I agree with the majority here and on Penguin (over 47 reviews) that Spidey's Penguin lecture was one of the best, 5 stars and the material overall strong/ ideas excellent

2. I'm not going to get into a long trolling debate with UnbiasedMagicReviews. I'm not going to debate him point by point (yawn) - I will just say that he has every right to his opinions, although he's obviously in the minority other than his fans on his YouTube channel. Consumers will be the final arbiter, but the reviews on this lecture and sales of it indicate it is a clear winner. The review doesn't do justice to the quality of it, and there is ZERO CHANCE that it will be sold at $9.00 lol. Weird comment, but whatever it takes I guess to juice up one's YouTube audience.

3. BUT I can tell you as the creator and manufacturer of the SVENPAD(R) that the Spidey idea/technique for numbering pages (used in his "Elementary" routine in the lecture) which Spidey generously shared on our private FaceBook group in 2018 was truly groundbreaking and embraced by pros (like Oz Pearlman, Justin Willman, Lior Manor, Chipper Lowell, Chris Kenner, Bruce Gold, and Jay Alexander among hundreds more) + some famous people I'm not allowed to mention who are using this privately AND hobbyists.

On our Facebook private page we have over 500+ likes and 437 comments for the original video where Spidey GENEROUSLY tipped this killer method. In fact it remains the #1 most popular idea EVER shared on the group. What do these people know that our amateur UnbiasedMagic reviewer perhaps doesn't?

Everyone has a right to their opinions for sure - it's just that a few experienced people plain disagree with you lol. What do THEY have to say about Spidey's numbering system ideas?


"What a genius idea. So kind of you to share it. Thank you. Devastatingly deceptive."
Nicholas Einhorn (co-creator of DFB)

"This is !@#$*** awesome. *** you Spidey for being so clever."
Chris Kenner

"Thanks Spidey. Excellent thinking. Really excellent. Thanks so much for sharing. It's one of the most deceptive ideas I've come across in a long time. Caught me! Thanks!"
Steve Thompson

"I really love this idea. So clever and deceptive and fair as you say. Well done mister!"
Angelo Carbone

"Stunningly beautiful"
Paul Brook

"Very nice!!!"
Michael Murray

"Beautiful!"
Chris Philpott

"Great idea!"
Mark Strivings

"By far my favorite use of a SvenPad. You should put out a collection of ideas using this method."
Karl Koppertop

"Clever, Spidey!"
Chad Long

"That. Is. !@#$**. Brilliant."
Bill Cook

"Been doing this from day one.....
just kidding. You’re a genius!!"
Bobby Motta

"Very Good"
Rune Carlsen

So if Mr. UnbiasedMagic Review guy doesn't like this method - he's clearly in the minority, but like any magic idea or technique - you can choose to use it or not.

But lets not poo-poo the cleverness, brute strength and brilliance of Spidey's IDEA. The idea was a game changer. That's an undisputed fact.

Without getting into the weeds too much, a similar idea to Spidey's was used back in 2011 for my partner Mike Maione's original Celebrity Presage and later in Paul Romhaney & Mike Maione's "Calendar Presage" https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S21140

However Spidey independently came up with this idea in 2018 using a not a book or calendar but a blank SVENPAD? - and the idea DID hit the magic community like an earthquake for those who knew the secret.

My good friend OZ used this system to killer effect on ESPN a few years ago - as one of many examples out in the real world on TV and stages:




As a full time creator/mentalist & performer I agree that using a SVENPAD(R) in the usual hands-free way plays more of a mind reading effect rather than a prediction effect. A variation of this clever system (my own) was used to create the 2019 CELEBRITY PRESAGE book test. I took Mike's 2011 book test idea combined with Spidey's 2018 ideas and created a brand new method which helped make the CP books one of the #1 book tests ever.

The beauty of Spidey's generous and innovative idea was that it gave performers a brand new alternative way of using this utility prop - and it opened up a creative new WORLD of thinking that has made a huge impact. The pad is a utility device that can be made in any language and used for any routine. Some will use it as a magic prediction, some will prefer to use it for mind reading. For the reviewer to say that DFB is better than Spidey's idea is just dumb really - I love DFB and use it often, but bringing out a phone also brings out it's own potential weaknesses. But I love having different tools to choose from. Spidey's idea was and is a GAME CHANGER Smile

In any event I felt obligated to make ONE lengthy comment here because the reviewer guy is wrong - and it seems he wants to keep defending his own poor review with pseudo-intellectual long winded babble, even though so many people here have explained to him WHY his "unbiased" review of Spidey's lecture was just plain wrong.

On a side note I think MagicOrthodoxy is putting out some of the best reviews these days! I'm no shill and anyone here knows I call 'em as I see 'em.

Cheers to everyone, and have a great weekend!
Grab Spidey's Penguin lecture - it's one of the best releases this year!


Saysold1, outstanding review. Spidey's handling of your Svenpad is killer, and one of the many highlights of this lecture. Agree this lecture is one of the best releases of the year, and a solid contender for lecture of the year.

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Just wanted to quickly chime in that Spidey's lecture is fantastic.
The numbering technique with the Svenpad was a B.F.D. for many of us (it played a big role in the centerpiece of my online shows during the height of the pandemic). The material here is well thought out and structured.
The most interesting thing for me was seeing someone who has taken the time to develop real expertise and proficiency in body language studies and profiling. This results in readings that are the most compelling I've seen, and I hope it encourages the rest of us to not be satisfied with transparent B.S. in our presentations of this kind of material.
At the risk of feeding the trolls, a brief response to the review at the top of this thread:
The great thing about the internet is that everyone has a voice. The awful thing about the internet is that everyone has a voice.
Having a video camera does not make someone an expert, and several of the specific complaints made are clearly not the kinds of notes an expert would make. The suggestion that most of this material can only be performed for a small group reveals someone without much experience blocking material for the stage. The notion that a stack of index cards -- as real world guests perceive them -- has something to do with "playing cards" reveals someone looking at the material designed for professional performance through a hobbyist's filter.
It's a fantastic lecture and a bargain at $40.
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