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gregg webb
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I have some older English pennies when they were made of bronze and not just copper. Anyway, I noticed that most of the men seem to be facing left and one faces to our right. In fact, George the 5th facing left and Edward the 7th are probably the best to use. After the one is pointed out to be facing left, we would do a switch, and yet continue to miscall the head as pointing left with the coin held neck-tied. Finally begin saying you will try to get him to turn facing to the right. Act like it is actually happening, like you actually see him turning to the right. I learned this kind of thinking from James Randi. Act like this is the most amazing miracle you ever saw and finally let them see the coin with the head pointing to the right.

They have beards, and look enough alike for us on this side of the pond. Nobody knows Edward from George over here. Just say you found these old coins in a shop, or something. Don't mention their names. Feel free to experiment with this on your own, if you have these old bronze English pennies around. In the old days these were preferred to the copper ones because aged bronze looks darker and is a better contrast to silver coins for color changes and transpos and the like. Cheers. Enjoy.
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This is a very good idea!
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Thank you Boss! Meanwhile everyone remember to watch Dr. Rubinstein Fool Penn and Teller on the 18th.
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most of the men seem to be facing left and one faces to our right


My understanding is that the direction the image faces changes every time there's a new King (or Queen). A new minting/portrait of the same monarch wouldn't change. This is why all the Queen Elizabeth II portraits were the same way, and why you might see more of one direction - since they lived for different amounts of time.

I also believe there was an old effect by Michael Weber "Left on Lincoln" that's similar to what you are describing, but didn't involve using multiple coins of different years like that.
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Yes Lincoln pennies face different ways. In mine I'm using coins that people aren't familiar with, and not mentioning the date. Feel free to use the Michael Weber version, if you like. I like the larger coins (Hey, look at this old coin I found at a garage sale!) because of the sleight of hand I use to switch it.(them). Say "Hi" to Michael for me. p.s. See Dr. Rubinstein's comment above.
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No, I don't believe any Lincoln pennies face the other way. That was the whole point of the routine.

I guess my point is: I don't see why you couldn't use the Michael Weber version/handling with larger coins. You're welcome to do it with whatever method/handling you'd prefer, but the plot (change the direction it's facing) is not new, which is the thing I was observing.

I did see Dr. Rubinstein's comment, but I don't see how that's relevant to my post. I didn't say I didn't think it wasn't a good idea, I was adding some additional mention of previous work on the idea, and giving some additional context of why the directions changed - since you made an initial comment about it.
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Yes some Lincoln pennies have heads that point the other way. Anyway, I thought my plot was different. My handling, implications, etc. My patter etc. All different enough to mention. Perfectly fine for me to mention. Changing a coin is hundreds of years old.
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On Nov 12, 2022, gregg webb wrote:
Yes some Lincoln pennies have heads that point the other way.


Fake ones?
All minted ones have faced to the right. I'm happy to admit I made a mistake if you can cite what year(s) Lincoln faced left and link to an image of one.
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Perhaps we have different definitions of plot.
To me, a coins across is a coins across no letter what patter you use, method (no extras, extras, turtle, etc) or any explanation/interaction. It's still the same general effect.
Which is certainly not a bad thing, I'm just not clear what you think makes the underlying perception of what happened (from the spectator's perspective) different.
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If Michael Weber is the first to do the head facing a different direction plot, he should get credit. Fine. I just thought it had been done before at some point way back. I don't know how Michael's works. Did he have coins made up special? Is his just all suggestion? (Probably as to the direction before the change?)

You don't have to answer that. Maybe I was confusing method with plot.
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I can't remember where I saw the odd Lincoln. I look at a lot of catalogs of coins but also magic and magic collections. I have been annoyed at the unusual nickels they have out now and remember feeling the same way about some photo of a Lincoln penny next to the normal way. It wasn't too long ago. Maybe it was some commemorative thing. So Michael's would have to be pure suggestion as to the before position and the fact that people don't remember such things. Which is clever if that is it. You don't have to answer.
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No, I won't reveal anything.
It's fine if you had the idea independently - that's often the sign of a great idea.
I merely wanted to point out that crediting and references are important.


There was a series of pennies made a few years back to celebrate Lincon's birth, which had a bunch of other images on the reverse.
https://coins.thefuntimesguide.com/2009-penny-value/
But the obverse was still the standard bust of Lincoln looking to the right.
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most of the men seem to be facing left and one faces to our right


My understanding is that the direction the image faces changes every time there's a new King (or Queen). A new minting/portrait of the same monarch wouldn't change. This is why all the Queen Elizabeth II portraits were the same way, and why you might see more of one direction - since they lived for different amounts of time.



Correct. The first King Charles III coins have been minted and his head faces the opposite way to that of the late Queen.

Barry
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Now we can start talking about how some Canadian coins are attractive to magnets and some aren't. Good for some mentalism idea, I'm sure. I know! Somebody probably thought of it a million times by now.
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Am working on a gaffless CSB routine and the color contrast with the bronze coins look better-more contrast, with the silver and brass. I found a Gary Kurtz move that is helping the routine.
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Keep those creative juices flowing!
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Thanks man. The move I like is Take Two by Gary Kurtz from his book. It can be a 2-for-2 exchange or a 1-for-1 exchange, or a 2-for-1 exchange, or a 1-for-2. Heck, you could change a coin into a piece of candy. I think Mike Rubinstein knows Gary Kurtz.
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