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dirtyfoucault Special user UK 850 Posts 
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Starting to think Mac Stone is also a Weber pseudonym
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videoman Inner circle 7286 Posts
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On Feb 3, 2023, Mac_Stone wrote: I have no dog in this fight but it seems to me like Mac Stone summed up my feelings pretty well, but perhaps not in the way he would have liked to. When you say the “main one that everything else is built on” seems to imply that Craig and his team have added a substantial and worthwhile amount of new material to what has already been published. In regards to your cups and balls and coffee beans comment, I personally would not have a problem with the scenario you described if you added a substantial and worthwhile addition to the concept. One of my pet peeves in magic is when ideas are over-policed. A hypothetical example would be if person A takes an existing method used in card tricks and uses it with let’s say pieces of a jigsaw puzzle. It’s a good trick but doesn’t take the world by storm. Then person B comes along and adds some significant and worthwhile improvements to it and turns a good trick into a great one. But person B is unable to share this publicly or market it because person A created the basic concept first. IMO, the magic community (and one could argue, even their audiences) suffer from this type of attitude. It stifles creativity. In the real world this is solved in a court of law but that is generally not feasible with a magic trick. I’ve always heard it stated that if you modify something 20% then it’s fair game. I’m not an attorney so I don’t know if that is always true. But my guess is that Craig and his team have met this 20% threshold. But I have to add that it is strange to me that Weber and Trono never asked to see the tutorial before requesting that the project be pulled. My speculation is that they got wind of the extent of it and who all contributed to it and they realized it would serve them better to not have seen it and simply hang their argument on the fact that they had previously released a similar effect using receipts. |
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DJG Inner circle 1426 Posts
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But if it is Weber, he didn't lie. He never said he wasn't, only suggested. But, I asked a question and you answered. I have no desire to derail the convo.
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Craig Petty V.I.P. UK 2903 Posts
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On Feb 3, 2023, andykean wrote: I’m assuming you mean 2012 and not 2021. The receipts and write up are actually for Matrix receipts which uses the Matrix principle. There is no mention about the age card principle at all. Readers weee invited to write in to learn more secrets about the receipts but it didn’t say what that was. If they wrote in they got a single sheet of paper referring to the age card principle but nothing was published about it in Genii I am yet to find anyone that did write in. You can see this by checking the Conjuring Archive where you will see the trick in that issue referred to as Matrix Receipts and not Age Receipts. Hope to at helps |
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Craig Petty V.I.P. UK 2903 Posts
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Lots of comments. I have been working all day but I’ll answer some of the questions later this evening
Thanks everyone |
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tenchu Inner circle Europe 1222 Posts
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You can take a look at Real Secrets Volume 1, which is being added to the Archive: https://www.conjuringarchive.com/list/book/3006
Mike |
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Craig Petty V.I.P. UK 2903 Posts
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On Feb 3, 2023, tenchu wrote: These must have just been added as they weren’t there a couple of days ago! Looks like the ‘secret’ nature of Real Secrets has an expiry date. |
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Elmer 84 Regular user 181 Posts
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On Feb 3, 2023, Craig Petty wrote: The description is incorrect too. Please refer to my earlier post with a correct summary of the effect. |
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sileeni Veteran user UK. 366 Posts
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[quote]On Feb 3, 2023, Craig Petty wrote:
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Sudo Nimh Inner circle 1909 Posts
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On Feb 3, 2023, DJG wrote: Read the first post on page two of this thread where he does, in fact, deny it. Quote: On Feb 3, 2023, newguy wrote:
Converting the numbers 51, 6, and 500 to Roman numerals makes me LIVID!
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JL608 Regular user 162 Posts
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Which one of you is Andy Kaufman?
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sileeni Veteran user UK. 366 Posts
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On Feb 3, 2023, JL608 wrote: Newguy. |
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flunkie42 New user 35 Posts
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On Feb 3, 2023, Craig Petty wrote: Craig, you might be able to check that via Wayback Machine (the Internet archive) |
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andykean Special user U.K - Now living in New Zealand Auckland 965 Posts
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Thanks Craig - I did mean 2012!
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ed wood Special user 798 Posts
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All this squabbling over a Christmas cracker trick!
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sileeni Veteran user UK. 366 Posts
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On Feb 3, 2023, flunkie42 wrote:  Adding stuff to the Conjuring Archive now is a sad attempt to make it look like Craig had the opportunity/ability to the research the history of this trick. When the reality is, it's only being added now. Luckily, as Beyonce knows all too well... the internet never forgets. If you check the home page of Conjuring Archive, it tells you the exact date they added it.  Seeing the Streisand Effect unfold in real time really is a sight to behold. |
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Sudo Nimh Inner circle 1909 Posts
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Videoman brings up some very good points about over-policing and the stifling of creativity. For example: I have an invisible deck handling that uses a normal deck and no gimmicks. It is also 100% sleight-free and clean as a whistle. Some time ago, another fellow published the same basic idea, however his requires an awkward sleight performed at the worst possible time. I had not ever published my routine which is, in fact, a superior handling. My routine would be scrutinized were I to try to market it now. It's a shame because I know an invisible deck accomplished with a normal deck and zero sleights would be a very desirable thing for many.
Converting the numbers 51, 6, and 500 to Roman numerals makes me LIVID!
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flunkie42 New user 35 Posts
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On Feb 3, 2023, sileeni wrote: Nice work :-D |
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AutarchicFlux Special user 797 Posts
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On Feb 3, 2023, sileeni wrote: Wowwww, slam dunk. Well done, this is a heck of an exposé and speaks volumes about Craig's accusers. |
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Elmer 84 Regular user 181 Posts
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Craig is a marketing genius and a big WWE fan. He knows that by setting up a beef/grudge he will draw the crowds, just like Ric Flair vs Mick Foley. The crowd then fuels the conflict and creates the groundswell.
Hats off to you Craig. |
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