On Feb 4, 2023, JDobbs wrote:

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On Feb 4, 2023, will4gzus wrote:
And the drama flows in on penguin reviews by a “verified buyer” when it’s in pre order stratus.

https://www.penguinmagic.com/reviewcomments.php?rid=150808&w

I find it funny how the reviewer is anonymous and then “Deceptionguy” responds back and says they have their own opinion. Yet no one has even received it to know what it is fully about!

Pure laughter!!!!

On Feb 4, 2023, sileeni wrote:
Guilty of tampering with evidence whilst in the police force, then the Conjuring Archive "conveniently" gets updated at precision timing.

On Feb 3, 2023, Denis Behr wrote:
Thanks for that clarification, John!

Regarding the listing on the Conjuring Archive: https://www.conjuringarchive.com/list/book/3006
There is no secrecy when content is added. I list it on the starting page, as has been cleverly worked out by some detectives on this forum by going onto the prominent main page. I don't need to list addition dates, but I do.

I've seen this thread and found that there seemed to be some confusion on what exactly was published back in 2012. Since I've been a Real Secrets subscriber for ten installments and still have those issues, with the online additions, I figured adding these references to the Archive will at least clear that part up. There is no agenda in this, I don't know Craig and had no idea about his planned release before being pointed to this remarkable... exchange of words over here, have not spoken with Michael Weber or anyone at all involved in this disagreement. No interpretation, no "backdating" (it's from 2012 after all). It's simply a listing of the content.

On Feb 4, 2023, sileeni wrote:

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On Feb 4, 2023, NYCJoePitt wrote:
To give a little more credence to the idea that "newguy" is most likely Weber, consider this posting from newguy in 2016: https://www.conjuringarchive.com/list/bo......ht=34523

Here is a magician who is clearly well educated and well versed about magic, the etymology of various tricks and routines, and the current state of the art. And this is back in 2016. Just before newguy makes this posting, “mastermindreader” introduces the topic of “Michael Weber”. Yet newguy clearly and deliberately misspells the name as Webber. Newguy is doing this “accidentally” again 7! Years! Later! Any other normal, well-versed, magician would have started using the correct spelling of the name. Anyone else. Put yourself in those shoes. If you knew what you were talking about, and were still interested in magic, you would spell this man’s name correctly.

Newguy is clearly not some newby. He’s got a hidden agenda, and most likely the man himself.

Apart from derailing this thread any further from Craig’s magic. I would love to see newguy come back on here and defend himself. He *is* a lawyer, so I'm sure it would be fascinatingly creative.

If you think THAT'S what makes it obvious... wait until you see this:

TRIUMPHOTOCOPY Copyright New Guy 1985 - The Magic Café

and then see who published this 4 years later:
TRIUMPHOTOCOPY by Michael Webber - The Conjuring Archive

On Feb 4, 2023, Noobmaster69 wrote:

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On Feb 4, 2023, sileeni wrote:

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On Feb 4, 2023, NYCJoePitt wrote:
To give a little more credence to the idea that "newguy" is most likely Weber, consider this posting from newguy in 2016: https://www.conjuringarchive.com/list/bo......ht=34523

Here is a magician who is clearly well educated and well versed about magic, the etymology of various tricks and routines, and the current state of the art. And this is back in 2016. Just before newguy makes this posting, “mastermindreader” introduces the topic of “Michael Weber”. Yet newguy clearly and deliberately misspells the name as Webber. Newguy is doing this “accidentally” again 7! Years! Later! Any other normal, well-versed, magician would have started using the correct spelling of the name. Anyone else. Put yourself in those shoes. If you knew what you were talking about, and were still interested in magic, you would spell this man’s name correctly.

Newguy is clearly not some newby. He’s got a hidden agenda, and most likely the man himself.

Apart from derailing this thread any further from Craig’s magic. I would love to see newguy come back on here and defend himself. He *is* a lawyer, so I'm sure it would be fascinatingly creative.

If you think THAT'S what makes it obvious... wait until you see this:

TRIUMPHOTOCOPY Copyright New Guy 1985 - The Magic Café

and then see who published this 4 years later:
TRIUMPHOTOCOPY by Michael Webber - The Conjuring Archive

I think Weber should pull Triumphotocopy immediately!

I find it funny how the reviewer is anonymous and then “Deceptionguy” responds back and says they have their own opinion. Yet no one has even received it to know what it is fully about!

Pure laughter!!!!

Deceptionguy, newguy. Do you see a pattern here Watson?

On Feb 4, 2023, DJG wrote:

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I find it funny how the reviewer is anonymous and then “Deceptionguy” responds back and says they have their own opinion. Yet no one has even received it to know what it is fully about!

Pure laughter!!!!

Hold up! You are getting confused. I posted Deceptionguy and am NOT Anonymous. I was telling Anonymous I was proving a point by pre-ordering, and sorry I hurt his/her feelings by doing so.

Someone misinterpreted, and it went from there.

On Feb 4, 2023, DJG wrote:

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Deceptionguy, newguy. Do you see a pattern here Watson?

Please see above.

On Feb 4, 2023, sileeni wrote:

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On Feb 4, 2023, tenchu wrote:

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On Feb 4, 2023, sileeni wrote:
Guilty of tampering with evidence whilst in the police force, then the Conjuring Archive "conveniently" gets updated at precision timing.

I suggest reading what Denis posted (at least a few times) and think about what utter nonsense you just wrote. Absolutely shameful.

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On Feb 3, 2023, Denis Behr wrote:
Thanks for that clarification, John!

Regarding the listing on the Conjuring Archive: https://www.conjuringarchive.com/list/book/3006
There is no secrecy when content is added. I list it on the starting page, as has been cleverly worked out by some detectives on this forum by going onto the prominent main page. I don't need to list addition dates, but I do.

I've seen this thread and found that there seemed to be some confusion on what exactly was published back in 2012. Since I've been a Real Secrets subscriber for ten installments and still have those issues, with the online additions, I figured adding these references to the Archive will at least clear that part up. There is no agenda in this, I don't know Craig and had no idea about his planned release before being pointed to this remarkable... exchange of words over here, have not spoken with Michael Weber or anyone at all involved in this disagreement. No interpretation, no "backdating" (it's from 2012 after all). It's simply a listing of the content.

Mike

Oh I read it. If it was purely innocent, he'd have had to have at least asked for permission to post it. Just due to the very nature of the agreements that had to be taken upon being invited into the club to receive a copy. For 12 years all who owned took an auth of secrecy. Then with the impeccable timing of a meteor shower during a solar eclipse, newguy's dear friend Denis (Michael actually gave Denis an amazing quote for his book, fwiw) just decides to randomly update it. And it just so happens to really play well into Weber/newguys narrative... if they hadn't got caught.

Trono has been convicted of tampering with evidence. Weber has been factually outed as a liar and conman. More so, has an M.O. of using well connected friends to do his bidding over the decades... and then this just happens.


Yeah... no.

On Feb 4, 2023, DJG wrote:
I am not Penguin Magic, but if you pre-order, you are a verified buyer. Unclear if you are still questioning me or not, but if so, please PM me as I have stated before I do not want to derail this thread any more than it has already been.

On Feb 4, 2023, rickreation wrote:

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On Feb 4, 2023, sileeni wrote:

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On Feb 4, 2023, NYCJoePitt wrote:
To give a little more credence to the idea that "newguy" is most likely Weber, consider this posting from newguy in 2016: https://www.conjuringarchive.com/list/bo......ht=34523

Here is a magician who is clearly well educated and well versed about magic, the etymology of various tricks and routines, and the current state of the art. And this is back in 2016. Just before newguy makes this posting, “mastermindreader” introduces the topic of “Michael Weber”. Yet newguy clearly and deliberately misspells the name as Webber. Newguy is doing this “accidentally” again 7! Years! Later! Any other normal, well-versed, magician would have started using the correct spelling of the name. Anyone else. Put yourself in those shoes. If you knew what you were talking about, and were still interested in magic, you would spell this man’s name correctly.

Newguy is clearly not some newby. He’s got a hidden agenda, and most likely the man himself.

Apart from derailing this thread any further from Craig’s magic. I would love to see newguy come back on here and defend himself. He *is* a lawyer, so I'm sure it would be fascinatingly creative.

If you think THAT'S what makes it obvious... wait until you see this:

TRIUMPHOTOCOPY Copyright New Guy 1985 - The Magic Café

and then see who published this 4 years later:
TRIUMPHOTOCOPY by Michael Webber - The Conjuring Archive

This shattered my heart. I’ve been trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. But that post (Triumphotocopy) is irrefutable proof. I’m feeling very disillusioned right now

On Feb 4, 2023, camron wrote:
This thread doesn't show up when you search for "webber" or "weber"...

On Feb 4, 2023, Fierita wrote:

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On Feb 4, 2023, rickreation wrote:

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On Feb 4, 2023, sileeni wrote:

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On Feb 4, 2023, NYCJoePitt wrote:
To give a little more credence to the idea that "newguy" is most likely Weber, consider this posting from newguy in 2016: https://www.conjuringarchive.com/list/bo......ht=34523

Here is a magician who is clearly well educated and well versed about magic, the etymology of various tricks and routines, and the current state of the art. And this is back in 2016. Just before newguy makes this posting, “mastermindreader” introduces the topic of “Michael Weber”. Yet newguy clearly and deliberately misspells the name as Webber. Newguy is doing this “accidentally” again 7! Years! Later! Any other normal, well-versed, magician would have started using the correct spelling of the name. Anyone else. Put yourself in those shoes. If you knew what you were talking about, and were still interested in magic, you would spell this man’s name correctly.

Newguy is clearly not some newby. He’s got a hidden agenda, and most likely the man himself.

Apart from derailing this thread any further from Craig’s magic. I would love to see newguy come back on here and defend himself. He *is* a lawyer, so I'm sure it would be fascinatingly creative.

If you think THAT'S what makes it obvious... wait until you see this:

TRIUMPHOTOCOPY Copyright New Guy 1985 - The Magic Café

and then see who published this 4 years later:
TRIUMPHOTOCOPY by Michael Webber - The Conjuring Archive

This shattered my heart. I’ve been trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. But that post (Triumphotocopy) is irrefutable proof. I’m feeling very disillusioned right now

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On Feb 4, 2023, Noobmaster69 wrote:

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On Feb 4, 2023, Fierita wrote:

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On Feb 4, 2023, rickreation wrote:

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On Feb 4, 2023, sileeni wrote:

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On Feb 4, 2023, NYCJoePitt wrote:
To give a little more credence to the idea that "newguy" is most likely Weber, consider this posting from newguy in 2016: https://www.conjuringarchive.com/list/bo......ht=34523

Here is a magician who is clearly well educated and well versed about magic, the etymology of various tricks and routines, and the current state of the art. And this is back in 2016. Just before newguy makes this posting, “mastermindreader” introduces the topic of “Michael Weber”. Yet newguy clearly and deliberately misspells the name as Webber. Newguy is doing this “accidentally” again 7! Years! Later! Any other normal, well-versed, magician would have started using the correct spelling of the name. Anyone else. Put yourself in those shoes. If you knew what you were talking about, and were still interested in magic, you would spell this man’s name correctly.

Newguy is clearly not some newby. He’s got a hidden agenda, and most likely the man himself.

Apart from derailing this thread any further from Craig’s magic. I would love to see newguy come back on here and defend himself. He *is* a lawyer, so I'm sure it would be fascinatingly creative.

If you think THAT'S what makes it obvious... wait until you see this:

TRIUMPHOTOCOPY Copyright New Guy 1985 - The Magic Café

and then see who published this 4 years later:
TRIUMPHOTOCOPY by Michael Webber - The Conjuring Archive

This shattered my heart. I’ve been trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. But that post (Triumphotocopy) is irrefutable proof. I’m feeling very disillusioned right now

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Nope. It's in the secret sessions forum.