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Mark_Chandaue Inner circle Essex UK 4205 Posts 
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I can’t imagine Pete bullying anyone, he is very much a laid back water off a ducks back kind of guy. Nobody should be bullied period and absolutely nobody should be bullied over magic tricks. Yes I get that there is gold in them thar hills, but there isn’t enough gold to be worth crapping on another person or causing misery. The real gold in this industry is the friendships you make within magic or through performing magic. We don’t always agree with each other but having different viewpoints is never an excuse to cause someone real pain.
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Sudo Nimh Inner circle 1914 Posts
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On Feb 5, 2023, Mark_Chandaue wrote: As I carefully stated in my post, it is not the person I alluded to in my post who is doing it; it is friends of theirs and some of their fanbase.
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Peter_turner V.I.P. Bradford, West Yorkshire 1355 Posts
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On Feb 5, 2023, dirtyfoucault wrote: Thanks for the supportive words 
It’s definitely not me, Sudo said “friends of”, I wouldn’t like to think that I know people who are doing stuff like that :/ if anyone is doing something like that, that I do know Sudo, feel free to message me and I will help in anyway that I can. I don’t condone any behaviour like that. I probably do look thuggish though - Pete x |
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DJG Inner circle 1427 Posts
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On Feb 5, 2023, Michael Dustman wrote: I apologize to you, and all the celery eaters here. And to Eddie (I PM'd you as that convo was uncalled for and should have never lasted that long) My sincerest apologies! |
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dirtyfoucault Special user UK 855 Posts
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On Feb 5, 2023, Sudo Nimh wrote: That's appalling. Very sorry to hear you've been treated so badly. As Mark says, there's absolutely no need or excuse for this sort of behaviour. I hope this thread and Craig's soon-to-be-aired video exposing bullying encourages the mentalist in question to both step in and offer you a serious apology |
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benbv Inner circle London 2536 Posts
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On Feb 5, 2023, DJG wrote: Thanks! And sorry I just realised that EDCeipt wasn’t out yet, coming a bit late the party sorry… reading all those pages I assumed it was out… hope all the negativity and rows go away, life is too short for this… |
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Sudo Nimh Inner circle 1914 Posts
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Hi Peter.
Thanks very much for this. I was careful not to say that it was you directly, but accurately, some of your friends and fanbase. As we both know, it's because of the Eclipse ordeal. It was something I wanted to address with you that day we were supposed to meet up, but you didn't make it and so the conversation never took place. This is probably something better discussed in private and not over an open forum, so let's meet up sometime soon and chat. And yeah, you do look a bit "thuggish", which is why I used it as a descriptor. 
No insult intended.
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453rob Regular user 119 Posts
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On Feb 4, 2023, Sudo Nimh wrote: Thank you for this reply. That's the same thoughts that I had about this trick. Just pretend the receipts belong to somebody else or you collected them during a trip to US. I might buy this. The price is reasonable. To be honest, I don't really care about this private war between Petty and Weber et al. This should have been handled between the parties involved. I realize how passionate and proud Petty is about his creations. He is also often very defensive when criticized. He has no problems aggressively criticizing others (Peter Eggink f.ex). There is a saying from the bible, I think. He who lives in glass houses etc. Anyway, it's nice to see voices of reason like yours. |
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Rory111 Regular user 143 Posts
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Good luck with this release Craig... I'm glad you chose to stand your ground.
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EZrhythm Inner circle Only three EZ payments for a PDF of my 2111 Posts
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On Feb 5, 2023, 453rob wrote: With the receipt having an address of the store location there will be many of those who may live in the version's country but no where near the store's address, to which there are plenty of patter ideas to express the point if one feels the need to do so. In my routining I don't plan to bring up the point but if mentioned I may use some humor such as it being an Uber delivery. 
In addition, the PDF file included will allow for changes in the address to be made. Although it is yet to be seen if the printing's font will be referenced and the easiest way to go about using that font for those who need that instruction. -Glass houses. How about he who lives in card houses shouldn't throw cards? I once had a house fall on me... I couldn't get out until I could do a lift of four queens and a joker.
How many magicians does it take to change a lightbulb? Regardless, for magicians darkness is a time for d'lite.
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McDuff New user Royal Oak, MI 14 Posts
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On Feb 5, 2023, AutarchicFlux wrote: I pre-ordered through Penguin and it is not available yet. |
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Sudo Nimh Inner circle 1914 Posts
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It's crazy how much has resulted from Craig making his video and a lot of good has come from it.
Peter and I have been talking and I would like to say that he is a stand-up gentleman. He is concerned about the harassment I've experienced and has taken steps to help fix the matter. There is no issue with me re-releasing "Eclipse" (I pulled it from the market several years ago) and am allowed to do so with Peter's gracious blessing. So if you're reading this, and you're one of the people who have been attacking me over this issue, you can stop now. We've talked it over and it has been worked out. The truth is, I was in the wrong when that situation first happened and I jumped the gun unnecessarily. Thanks to Peter for reaching out to me and demonstrating his concern. I know this went off topic, but I thought it'd be nice for people to hear some good that has come from this debacle. Now... back to EDCeipt.
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JackMagic Inner circle 2019 Posts
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On Feb 5, 2023, AutarchicFlux wrote: I agree Michael Weber has been shown in his true light One thing I have always said about Craig with his reviews that he tells it as it is but he should not have to put up with this type of bullying |
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Fatgumbo Veteran user Melbourne, Australia 387 Posts
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To all those saying this is a private correspondence between petty and weber:
Weber literally came onto this thread under a fake profile trying to discredit Craig and ruin his reputation. Weber should undoubtedly be publicly exposed as the bully he is to prevent him from doing it to anyone else. It no longer became private after newguy posted here. |
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Wravyn Inner circle 4241 Posts
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I agree with you. If it is published, they own the rights.
published adjective 1. (of a book, journal, piece of music, etc.) prepared and issued for public sale or readership. "the collection includes the complete published works of Benjamin Britten" 2. (of information) printed or made available online so as to be generally known. Is sharing it in a private, members only group considered published? |
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Sudo Nimh Inner circle 1914 Posts
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On Feb 6, 2023, dirtyfoucault wrote: Everyone is entitled to their opinion; it makes me think no less of Brent Braun. He's doing what he believes in his heart to be right. Just like I did what I did because I believed (and still believe) with all my heart that it was the right thing to do. The thing is, I doubt there will ever be an agreement between Craig and Michael. If Michael wanted an agreement, he would have tried having a proper discussion with Craig - without threats, and without attacking him under a false identity which he has used at the Café for nearly 20 years to promote himself with false endorsements. That sort of underhanded tactic just goes far too far and speaks to the lengths he will go to. This whole thing could have been settled easily. For example, when I just spoke with Peter I assured him he would get proper credits in Eclipse and even offered him a cut from sales. He graciously told me he didn't want my money and to proceed with his blessing. That simple. Craig could have offered him a percentage of the sales along with crediting. Michael makes money freely off a project he didn't even have to invest a dime in and still gets credited. The magic world gets a great new item. Everyone wins. But rather than negotiate with Craig, veiled threats were made and underhanded tactics used.
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videoman Inner circle 7294 Posts
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On Feb 5, 2023, Fatgumbo wrote: Not only that but Weber and Trono threatened Craig FIRST before this thread even existed by saying in so many words that they could make it quite ugly for Craig and also take it public, either directly or by having influential friends (and fake aliases) spread the word. So Craig felt he had no choice but to try and get his side of the story out first. Which turned out to be a very wise decision I think. We would all prefer not to have to air our grievances in public but sometimes you are left with no choice and to believe that you would simply never do such a thing is naive. |
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maarten81 New user 8 Posts
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I just hope one thing thar this magic effect is not a magic drawer effect.
Imagine this that everyone gets so worked up over something that is placed in the drawer by 90 procent of the people that bought it. Anyway I wish Craig best of luck with this release. I hope everyone involved will find a way to work this out sadly too much damage has already been done. |
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videoman Inner circle 7294 Posts
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I totally respect Brent Braun and his decision but I feel that in this case it is not so black and white. If someone behaves in such a deceptive and unethical manner as Michael Weber did then IMO they forfeit certain rights. If you want to protect your rights in a fair and ethical manner then fine, but to stoop to such mean-spirited, underhanded, and immoral tactics is not right and should not be tolerated.
Because after all, what we are talking about is ethics and morals here, Weber has not pursued any legal rights to the material and may not even have any. So if you are going to get on a high horse and demand high moral standards then I believe you should do it BOTH ways, and not allow or overlook one type of perceived indecent behavior while allowing another. Especially when the other is quite possibly a more serious violation of ethical standards. |
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Sudo Nimh Inner circle 1914 Posts
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On Feb 6, 2023, Wravyn wrote: In my opinion, no. But that's because I have always viewed things from an academic perspective. It's impossible to do proper research or have knowledge of something that is not publicly available.
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