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In other news, I wonder what the State Bar of California would make of one of their lawyers using deceiptful means to make money and undermine competition?

Just wondering aloud...
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Kaliix,

I appreciate the advice. That's not me being snarky, I mean it. Your comment appears sincere and I do thank you for it. Here's the thing: It's easy advice to take - but it would be disingenuous of me to just "stop digging" for the sake of optics. I wasn't clear about something and people took it the wrong way. I tried (and will continue to try) to clarify my earlier posts. If you, or anyone else want to read into that "more digging" then so be it. It's not what I want, but I don't fear it.

Jason
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In the mean time this thread has gathered well over 113 000 views. I wonder if that’s a record.
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On Feb 12, 2023, leipzisch wrote:
One's choices of what to say, to whom and when define one's character.


Well, I got 2 out of 3 covered. The "when" will come on my time, not yours.

Jason
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On Feb 12, 2023, The Unmasked Magician wrote:
In the mean time this thread has gathered well over 113 000 views. I wonder if that’s a record.


It has to be! I hope that by the end of all of this, we can all go out for a drink. Live, laugh, and love. And then tell each other what items we're thinking of from a large stack of receipts.
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On the question has this one the most views ? The answer is no , there have in the past been threads exceeding 140,000 . Many of them not due to controversy but rather positive feed back to an effect . I have noted over the years the number of threads over 100k of views has decreased a lot .

Andrew
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On Feb 12, 2023, JasonEngland wrote:
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On Feb 12, 2023, leipzisch wrote:
One's choices of what to say, to whom and when define one's character.


Well, I got 2 out of 3 covered. The "when" will come on my time, not yours.

Jason


...which of course is your prerogative.

Worth considering that, the longer any public acknowledgment of wrongdoing takes, the less credible it will sound.

Reminds of that time Duchamp acted like a pompous a**hole.
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Magicians helping magicians?

Or

Magicians helping themselves?

Anyone who subscribes to the latter, please feel free to leave.
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This thread will go down in magic history as the time when…
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On Feb 12, 2023, leipzisch wrote:
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Worth considering that, the longer any public acknowledgment of wrongdoing takes, the less credible it will sound.


That doesn't concern me in the least. My reply will be, after all, an opinion. Not sure how an opinion can be credible or not unless it contains outright lies (it won't).

Two people in this thread have politely asked me the same question you're essentially demanding of me. They got (near) immediate answers, considering they were lengthy replies. And because I anticipated your line of "you better answer quickly or else" reasoning, I made a commitment to eventually answer publicly to one of the two. And by "eventually" I mean a day or so. Seeing as I've done nothing wrong, I see no reason to jump to your schedule just because you say to.

Jason
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I've had difficulty following your thread Jason, which could be entirely my own fault.

Are you saying two people asked you in PMs and you answered? And that you'll have a public answer sometime down the line?

If so, that's fine by me. I definitely didn't get that impression as you were going along, but as I say, that could be me.
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I'm not giving you a schedule. I'm pointing out the likely impact of waiting to post anything about Wibbler's behaviour on how others perceive your ethics.

But hey, you say you've done nothing wrong.
And maybe you think Fibber hasn't done anything wrong.

Your silence certainly suggests so.
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Not to derail the thread but Fibber is spelled with one B, I think.
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BTW I wonder if newguy will attend Blackpool. If so, that would create some really awkward tension I presume.
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Not to derail the thread but Fibber is spelled with one B, I think.


Incorrect.

Fiber is good for you.
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A Real Secret

You guys are right. Michael Weber is Newguy. But, so was I. And so were a handful of other magicians whose names many of you would likely recognize (some no longer with us.) The original idea was to allow a few of us to participate in this community anonymously, primarily so the MagicCafe wouldn’t show up in web searches of our names by clients or muggles. We soon realized it had the nice side effect of allowing us to share ideas, information and opinions absent the air of authority (or lack of in my case) that sometimes happens when a recognizable name posts here. We thought that if we appeared to be a “new guy” in magic, we might side step a lot of the petty arguments and flame throwing that happen in all public magic forums, and that people would consider the ideas and opinions without being tainted by the reputation of the source—like Stephen King writing as Richard Bachman. I never knew which posts came from who, but I can tell you that I never posted as Newguy after the first time Michael Weber was unmasked here as “Newguy” way back in 2008. In fact, I rarely look at the Café except to research specific topics, and I had all but forgotten about Newguy until a friend pointed me to this thread. I hope you’ll believe me when I tell you there was no nefarious plan to deceive or con anyone, and no malice intended. Surely it's no surprise that many magicians have shadow accounts here and a desire for anonymity, so we didn't think it was any big deal. Perhaps we were naive.

We are telling you this because the Newguy account is useless now, and we don’t like seeing our friend getting beaten up by a half wise mob. My understanding is that the responses to Mr. Petty here were not made by Michael personally, but with his blessing and on his behalf, and only after Mr. Petty refused to communicate with Michael and Tim Trono about their trick Age Receipts--choosing instead to have Murphy’s Magic act as intermediary, and taking the situation public on YouTube rather than have what should have been a civil and private conversation. I have more to say about that situation, but Michael has politely requested that I stand down.

Newguy is dead. Long live "Newguy."

Your friend in magic,
Eric Mead

PS--Yes, I know what you really care about: It is our sincere belief and intention that the Conover books will go to print before the end of this year.


Lol. This just makes it worse and is probably not true anyway.
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Now I'm really confused.

Is Jason England actually Jason posting as Jason?

Or is Jason England really Weber posting as Jason England?

Or is Eric Mead pretending to be Weber posting as Jason England?

Or is it Newguy posting as everyone else?

I'm completely lost!
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I can't help wondering what that with Eric phonecall sounded like.

newguy: "Eric, I got caught by these fools at the Café that were giving me money for 20 years. I need you to take some of the heat so this will blow over more quickly and we can resume BAU. They are a bunch of morons, so any kind of sand that we throw in their eyes will work. "
Eric: "Uhm... ok."
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The Café rules state that having more than one account will get you banned. So all of those who used the Newguy account and have their own account should be subject to a permanent ban.

It's time to drain the swamp.


And go further than that, do not buy anything from the “new guy’ collection 0f creators. Money talks lol
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