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strollingmagician Veteran user 306 Posts 
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At the point, Jason England, Eric Mead, and most of all Michael Weber should chime in with response to questions paying customers have asked.
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Mac_Stone Inner circle Miami, FL 1521 Posts
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On Feb 13, 2023, gumbimagic wrote: I think they noticed. They might have also noticed this, which you did not. Quote:
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Mac_Stone Inner circle Miami, FL 1521 Posts
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Craig has a pretty rich history of this kind of behavior, it's all documented on youtube.
I remember Craig and David also stirring up a major kerfuffle when they accused Jeff McBride of ripping off a routine from Wayne Dobson I think it was. I don't remember how that resolved. I did not pay any attention at all to the RED situation when it was unfolding, truth be told I wasn't even aware of that situation until this one. It would be great if someone more familiar with those circumstances could elaborate with facts and details exactly how the Real Secrets team bullied Craig out of magic. |
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elimagic Inner circle 1671 Posts
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Craig has more than atoned for Red. He adds more the the instructions and enjoyment of magic through his YouTube channel than almost anyone. I don't think his release is a rip off of anything as he points out and I think he has handled it the way he should have. (which is to essentially let Murphys deal with it since it's their release).
Back on topic. I have this, I think it's great. The tyvek receipts looks great but because of the tyvek, are a bit thick. Anyone have a source for printing the artwork on normal thermal paper? I could of course buy thermal paper and just print on them with ink, but if there is an easy source to order from, that would be great. Eli |
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strollingmagician Veteran user 306 Posts
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Keep your eyes out for new guys weather Ballons checking to see if your performing his material. Some people say it’s China, I think it’s new guys fleet.
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eddie1 Loyal user UK 285 Posts
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On Feb 13, 2023, strollingmagician wrote: Brilliant 
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Craig Petty V.I.P. UK 2903 Posts
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Hey everyone. For now I’ve said everything I need to say about this situation. In the futures I will revisit this but for now I think I’ve made my feelings clear. However as I said earlier (unfortunately that post is not deleted) I am happy to answer any and all questions about anything, I’m pretty much an open book.
Hope that helps. Cheers |
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Morganjj Regular user 169 Posts
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On Feb 13, 2023, leipzisch wrote: You're wrong. Seriously, go watch Craig's videos on Red. He takes plenty of direct responsibility for exactly the stuff you're now saying he doesn't. Many times. Both big picture and directly. Go watch the videos. Then ask yourself what you think you're doing. |
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Morganjj Regular user 169 Posts
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That's the thing - people like to act like there's still some hidden lurking gotcha to the red situation when ... What could it be? Craig admitted he was long and left the biz for ages. What more could anyone want?
Literally the only new information worth digging up about Red is in the first page or so of this thread. And that is that Weber bought the rights off King explicitly so he could go after Petty. Chew on that for a bit. That's a lawyer buying rights because they knew they could more effectively threaten someone that way. Its not like King asked for it to be removed and Craig had refused, so Weber nobly took up the cause. No, Weber saw an opportunity to buy rights in order to do maximum damage. Its patent troll behaviour - legal, but gross. Circle round that one a bit, if you really want to go back to Red. |
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leipzisch Inner circle 1407 Posts
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I think we can all agree that Weber's actions paint him in the dimmest ethical light.
Please do share the video where Craig admits to knowingly stealing New Wave Prediction (and then pretending he didn't). I'd be happy to publicly apologise for bringing it back up. |
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bangobango New user 22 Posts
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On Feb 13, 2023, leipzisch wrote: He didn't knowingly steal it so why would he admit to that? |
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Joe Roberts Special user 928 Posts
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On Feb 13, 2023, Morganjj wrote: It seems like it was Craig's choice to leave the business. Is there anywhere in his videos where he explains why he didn't at the time just say that it was his mistake and that he had completely forgotten the Bob King trick, and that he would either pull the product or give the profits to Bob. whichever Bob preferred? That seems like a very simple way to address the issue without exiling yourself. |
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Craig Petty V.I.P. UK 2903 Posts
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I have answered dozens of questions about Red but apparently that’s not good enough so allow me to be clear so they are no shades of grey.
I released New Wave Prediction by Bob King and called it RED. In the past before the release it happened to be one of my favourite tricks. I have no idea why that happened or what I was thinking. I’ve thought about it a hundreds times. I good makes excuses and say that I’d forgotten the trick but the bottom line is I knew about it and I stole it. The industry came down on me hard and for good reason. To be clear the product was pulled immediately and WMS came to terms with Bob about how to deal with the situation. I never took a penny from the product and neither did WMS. To this day I didn’t know what I was thinking. I left the community because I was ashamed and couldn’t handle the negativity. I didn’t plan on coming back ever. However things change! My son became obsessed with magic and I didn’t think it was fair to not be in the community. I wanted him to go to conventions and be proud of me. So I came back and started Magic TV as a way to atone for my actions. I have spent the last two years not focusing on my business so I can produce free content for magicians. I wanted to give back and make my son proud. This worked to a point and Ryland is now firmly in the magic community. But RED never went away and I have coke to realise that it never will. I have had to explain to Ryland about the RED situation which I never wanted to do, mainly because I’m embarrassed. Ever day someone will bring up RED and it doesn’t matter how much I do some people cannot forgive All I can do is continue to do what I think is right, be open and communicate honestly with everyone and then I can say I’ve tried my best But to all the questions, yea I ripped off Bob King and I regret it every day. I don’t know what else I can say |
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leipzisch Inner circle 1407 Posts
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On Feb 13, 2023, bangobango wrote: If Craig didn't knowingly steal it, then he lied to the community about how long he had been performing Red. And did no basic due diligence before taking Red to market. If he has admitted to this, again I will happily apologise for raising the matter. |
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bangobango New user 22 Posts
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On Feb 13, 2023, Joe Roberts wrote: I think in the posts quoted on this thread from that time he says it was a mistake. I wasn't around then, but my understanding is Petty had made a name for himself for blasting magicians who made similar mistakes, and as you can see, some on this board are a rather unforgiving lot and the backlash against him was pretty rough, including death threats, and that's the reason he stepped away. He did admit he messed up and he did pull the trick, but even over a decade later people still accuse him of intentionally stealing. In fact, newguy flat out states he stole the trick back then and he is stealing another trick now. That's clearly shows how Weber was approaching this situation with Petty, in my opinion, and justifies Petty taking this matter public like he did. If newguy was posting this on this thread,then you know he was making similar comments behind the scenes. |
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bangobango New user 22 Posts
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On Feb 13, 2023, leipzisch wrote: Not sure where you are getting that he lied on how long he had been doing it. The posts you posted earlier don't confirm that and aren't the evidence you seem to think it is. I think it's obvious that he didn't do enough research before publishing, I think even he would admit to that, but I'm not sure why he has to apologize to the community for that. That's between him and the original publisher and he pulled the trick once he learned of the mistake, so not sure what else he could've done. |
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leipzisch Inner circle 1407 Posts
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I must have posted at the same time as Craig.
Craig, you've been very clear and open here. I'm going to stop banging on about this. Before I go, I'd like to point out that: - you have responded quickly and openly to my (and others') questions on this forum - your YouTube content is remarkable in scope and content - in thirty years of pursuing magic, I can only think of one or two other magicians who have as creative a brain, especially for card magic Since I've been one of the main people here offering criticism of you, I guess the least I can do is share my thoughts on some of your (no doubt) many qualities. |
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Joe Roberts Special user 928 Posts
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On Feb 13, 2023, bangobango wrote: I think that's because there was a lot of evidence that he did intentionally steal it. If you name someone else's trick as your favorite gimmicked deck trick and then later release an identical trick as your own then you're going to have people accuse you of intentionally stealing it. I think Craig has paid his dues for this infraction but let's not pretend that's not what happened. |
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eddie1 Loyal user UK 285 Posts
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On Feb 13, 2023, Morganjj wrote: There is just no excuse for this man’s behaviour. To the people who are saying “we all make mistakes” etc etc, yes, but 20 years of deception isn’t a mistake. And some of these things are just straight up scummy. Yet, still not a word of acknowledgment or any apology from him. |
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leipzisch Inner circle 1407 Posts
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Exactly so.
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