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qkeli Special user paris,france 798 Posts 
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On Feb 19, 2023, Winnes wrote: Agreed ! He already offered several direction ( even without words) and continues to do it and he has also given a lot of credits in his releases..and he continues ???? |
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Sudo Nimh Inner circle 1909 Posts
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On Feb 19, 2023, 1tepa1 wrote: Thanks. 
That's sorta what I'm getting at, but I'm thinking in more artistic terms. I'm thinking of beautiful paintings and old European postcards with idyllic French café scenes - stuff like that. Perhaps there is a dog in one of the paintings - among other things. Maybe there's a dog in one of the other paintings, too. Not the same breed or colour as the other, but a dog nonetheless. Maybe he's lying down as opposed to the one that's sitting. Perhaps there's a bicycle leaning against a lamp post, too. And as I mentioned before, it's easily possible to reveal more than one category of item/thing with just one set of cards. With EDCeipt its only category is store-purchased items. The "Clue" example I gave reveals a person, place, and a thing - and all with pictures instead of lists of words. There are other interesting avenues of thought that have presented themselves to me about this methodology, but I think I'd like to keep them close to my chest. For now. 
I think creators owe it to the art to have actual innovation when they release something that is built upon pre-existing ideas. Even if it's only a little innovation, it's still kicking that ball just a little further down the field. That's what I have always strived for.
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martydoesmagic Inner circle Essex, UK 2187 Posts
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On Feb 19, 2023, Sudo Nimh wrote: I wasn't talking about "EDCeipt" specifically. Instead, I was referring to the use of lists with the BP in general. As a member of Real Secrets, I'm not disputing the originality or innovation (or lack thereof) connected to this project. However, I'm not entirely sure Craig was trying to advance the method but rather better disguise it. Therefore, I don't think this is a particularly fair or valid criticism of his project. While I agree that advancing and refining methods is an important part of our art, it isn't the be-all and end-all. Until I watch the "EDCeipt" tutorial, I don't know how imaginative this project might be. However, I'd certainly welcome and look forward to your contributions to this principle. Marty |
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Sudo Nimh Inner circle 1909 Posts
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Thinking about this "painting" idea further, I could see Derren Brown doing something like this in his theater shows - but with perhaps a few further additions.
Picture this: On the stage are 4 (or 5 - doesn't really matter) easels. Resting upon each, and facing the audience, are various beautiful paintings. (This is perfect for Derren as he is a talented painter and the paintings could be ones that he actually painted himself!) A volunteer comes on stage and is asked to view the artworks. When they are finished, he turns the easels around so that the paintings no longer face the audience and the participant is directed to go behind the paintings and switch the paintings around on the easels while Derren faces the audience and keeps them entertained with his charismatic banter so that he won't have any idea where each painting resides once they've been moved around. The volunteer has also been instructed to focus on an item that stands out to her in one of the paintings while she moves them around. When finished, Derren turns to address her. At this point, all he sees is the backs of the paintings and the participant. The participant is asked to move to the first painting in the row and to move to each painting one at a time, pausing to study each one as she does. As she does this, she is instructed to close her eyes and visualize the item she is thinking of if she sees it in the painting she is currently looking at. Naturally, that is his "cue". And of course, the frames are discreetly marked on the backs. If they're canvas paintings stretched on plain frames, it is only natural that there might be a few paint spots on the back in the corners, etc.
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Sudo Nimh Inner circle 1909 Posts
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On Feb 19, 2023, martyjacobs wrote: I get that. This is just the lens I view things through. Doesn't mean I'm right. But I am a person who is obsessed with perfection and has high expectations of himself and (unreasonably) often expects the same from others. Perhaps that's why I'm always so depressed and viewed as a misanthrope at times. 
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TStone V.I.P. Stockholm, Sweden 825 Posts
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On Feb 19, 2023, Sudo Nimh wrote: Take a peek at Ozz Symons' "Guess Zoo". It make use of drawings of zoo animals, with the Magic Age Cards principle. |
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Sudo Nimh Inner circle 1909 Posts
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On Feb 19, 2023, TStone wrote: Where might this be found, Tom? Is it a marketed effect or in a book?
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bobgill Regular user 108 Posts
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It would be interesting to be able to compare EDCeipt with TRANSACTION by Paul Fowler. [link: https://www.penguinmagic.com/p/S34553] Similar effect (Transaction seems to use 'real' receipts rather than Tyvek) with completely different methods. Has anyone had the opportunity to look at both?
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dirtyfoucault Special user UK 850 Posts
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Isn't Lloyd Barnes' Cognito based on a similar principle? It does seem like an app would be a great way to go with the "images" idea.
As for the high expectations, misanthropy and depression - sorry to hear you suffer too, Sudo - this is such a perfect analysis of my own personality I may adopt it as my Twitter bio! |
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Sudo Nimh Inner circle 1909 Posts
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On Feb 19, 2023, dirtyfoucault wrote: Yes, I have quite a sandwich to deal with; I am diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder, Bipolar Disorder, and Complex PTSD. I find the Borderline disorder to be the worst to deal with and it's caused a lot of problems in my life. Most people don't know a lot about it so it often gets misinterpreted by others as something else. But I'm slowly beginning to understand it and learning how to better live with it. It's not always easy due to the other comorbid conditions that exist alongside it.
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 13252 Posts
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On Feb 19, 2023, Intrepid wrote: Thanks but I don't see anything on how the receipts all have similar or unrealistic prices. All I see is how I can make my own. |
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 13252 Posts
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As far as receipts why not simply be truthful and say, "Yea I may have a weird fetish, I collect receipts. From all over. But I do it for a reason. I have another skill as well. I've studied each and everyone. Here take a look. Find a product you like. This one? Good. Is it on any other receipts? blah blah blah.
But, I suppose the bottom line is: 1. Who cares about tyvec. (Hey these aren't receipts they are tyvec!! You're a fraud Mister!) I don't think that's going to happen. 2. I mean, what are you trying to pass yourself off as, "a regular person on the street?". You're a magician of course. Isn't that enough? 3. They are props, tools of the trade, if you play it cool they won't have time to be scrutinized. Make it fun. People forget about details when they are having fun. Go for it!! Leave the nonsense behind. |
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John C Eternal Order I THINK therefore I wrote 13252 Posts
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On Feb 19, 2023, bobgill wrote: Yea, good question. They just came out with a US version from walmart and costco. I asked a question about the prices on the receipts. As soon as I get an answer I may purchase it and compare. |
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Sudo Nimh Inner circle 1909 Posts
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On Feb 19, 2023, John C wrote: Things always come out in UK and US versions whether it be coin gaffs or other stuff like this. We in Canada always the get the crap end of the stick. My family should have never immigrated from England.
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Sudo Nimh Inner circle 1909 Posts
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On Feb 19, 2023, dirtyfoucault wrote: Sorry; meant to respond to that earlier but lost it along the way. I am not familiar with Cognito, but it sounds like that could be a possibility. I would personally never do it because I abhor smart phones in general and anything app related. I'm pretty "old-school" that way. The final years I spent performing gigs in bars and close-up environments turned me right off smart phones. It was so frustrating trying to deal with people who were more interested in playing with their phones than being present in the moment with the people they were with.
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influentialist Special user 502 Posts
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Lloyd Barnes has his own section in the tutorial and apps are discussed as part of the multiple teachings.
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markthemagician Regular user 133 Posts
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On Feb 19, 2023, MeetMagicMike wrote: Thank you. Nobody seems to care about that around here. Well, I’m going to keep performing it because it’s a killer. It genuinely appears that I can read minds. Nobody is looking at the prices or any misspellings— meanwhile do you think supermarkets spell every item correctly? Doubtful. But everyone should keep arguing about this —-I’ll just keep performing it and impress people w my apparent mind reading skills. Also,CP’s routine is skillfully built and creates real drama….. The method is invisible to laypeople |
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Mac_Stone Inner circle Miami, FL 1521 Posts
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On Feb 19, 2023, markthemagician wrote: I don't think you understand what real drama is.... Yes, the method is invisible. The props on the other hand are obviously fake. Do yourself a favor and don't insist to your audiences that these are genuine receipts, they will think a fool and you will become an unwitting victim of dramatic irony. |
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Mac_Stone Inner circle Miami, FL 1521 Posts
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On Feb 19, 2023, Sudo Nimh wrote: I've mentioned it plenty. |
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martydoesmagic Inner circle Essex, UK 2187 Posts
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On Feb 19, 2023, Sudo Nimh wrote: As someone who is also a recovering perfectionist, you have my sympathies (perfection is always a misguided pursuit). I try not to judge others by my high expectations, but I certainly understand the temptation to do so! Quote:
On Feb 19, 2023, bobgill wrote: I've bought both "Transaction" by Paul Fowler and "EDCeipt" by Craig Petty. I'll post my thoughts when I've received both and absorbed the material. As far as I can tell, "Transaction" uses a different method to achieve a similar effect. Marty |
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