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qkeli
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paris,france
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Posted: Feb 7, 2023 10:19 pm
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Thanks for all those details very Interesting !!
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leipzisch
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932 Posts
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Posted: Feb 7, 2023 10:20 pm
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The comeback begins...
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qkeli
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paris,france
792 Posts
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Posted: Feb 7, 2023 10:24 pm
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Quote: On Feb 7, 2023, newguy wrote:
The inverse binary approach was built into the Age Receipts printed, published and sold by Real Secrets in 2012.
The credit at the time went to Max Maven who had published it under the name Phil Goldstein in The Violet Book of Mentalism in 1980.
In his effect "Racer's Edge" he uses cards with the names of horses on them to represent the names of the equine competitors in several races.
While simply crediting "Age Cards" and writing that the principle is "*Often referred to as the "Magic Age Cards," a binary sorting method that dates
back hundreds of years." He also employs the marking in the opposite way to the classic method, so that the participant KEEPS the cards with his/her item listed and discards the other. It is from the discards that the performer secretly learns the necessary information to determine the selection.
Max was the credited as the source of inspiration for the use of the "reverse binary" arrangement. To date, we are unaware of an earlier published explanation of it in a magic text, but we do have two sets of age cards that were used as advertising give-aways, both of which use the reverse arrangement and both of which use lists of things rather than simply digits. One of them dates to 1950, the other seems to be from around 1946. (special thanks to SC for allowing us to see actual examples of these earlier cards.)
When we shared the existence of the earlier applications of reverse binary with Max, he was excited, not disappointed, to learn that he had rediscovered something so wonderful and overlooked.
It should be mentioned that the credited use of Max's published approach (of the reverse procedure) was also utilized by Tom Stone in his electronic publication Gravel, published in 2003. In those notes, his excellent effect, The Test, uses reverse binary with symbols and secret markings on the backs of the cards.
Later, purchasers of 2017 release of The Works found two different sets of Age Receipts in the box (one set printed on Tyvek) again, operating on the reverse binary construction, and offered a new technique to utilizing a natural aspect of the blank backed receipts to be able to secretly identify them from across the room. The version titled StorAge is still one of our favorites and is always in the glove compartment of our car.
And, a unique and non-mathematical approach combining binary sorting and a kind of progressive description was used with a single receipt in the effect, The Action of Receiving, published in The Journal of Psience, Volume 1, Number 5 in 2017. Performers interested in different ways to approach the presentation of the effect are invited to look at the primary routine in the issue as well as the bonus item, Hunt and Gather, which uses the same non-mathematical binary receipts in addition to writing on the back of a receipt and a p**k wallet to increase the beats and expand the themes of the demonstration.
For those interested in exploring how powerful the secret application of simple binary principles can be, you are encouraged to read all of Leo Boudreau's published work, in addition to the dozens of other binary-based mysteries Max published under the names Maven and Goldstein. Though the original Color Series booklets are hard to come by, the material has been collected in the hardcover book PRISM, which is must-reading for magicians and mentalists.
Excited to learn more about the recent revelation about Scott Dressburgh. Have, as of yet, been unable to find him mentioned in any publications, ring reports (an important place to look for references to what magicians were performing for each other throughout the decades) or letters. Will be sure to put his name at the front of the list after it gets posted to the Conjuring Archive.
Facts, facts and facts that’s what I like to read on this forum.
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Mac_Stone
Inner circle
Miami, FL
1424 Posts
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Posted: Feb 7, 2023 10:29 pm
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Quote: On Feb 7, 2023, leipzisch wrote:
Thanks Michael.
Authoritative and manipulative. That's quite a combo!
Can you point out specifically what parts of that statement you found to be authoritative and manipulative?
I don't want to be accused of having deliberately misinterpreted you so I just want to be clear.
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Schlawiner
New user
55 Posts
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Posted: Feb 7, 2023 10:30 pm
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Quote: On Feb 7, 2023, qkeli wrote:
Facts, facts and facts that’s what I like to read on this forum.
I'm just here for the drama.
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leipzisch
Special user
932 Posts
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Posted: Feb 7, 2023 10:34 pm
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Quote: On Feb 7, 2023, Mac_Stone wrote:
Quote: On Feb 7, 2023, leipzisch wrote:
Thanks Michael.
Authoritative and manipulative. That's quite a combo!
Can you point out specifically what parts of that statement you found to be authoritative and manipulative?
I don't want to be accused of having deliberately misinterpreted you so I just want to be clear.
All of the statement appears authoritative.
The man himself appears manipulative.
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Consultthemind1
Regular user
185 Posts
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Posted: Feb 7, 2023 11:00 pm
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Quote: On Feb 7, 2023, newguy wrote:
The inverse binary approach was built into the Age Receipts printed, published and sold by Real Secrets in 2012.
The credit at the time went to Max Maven who had published it under the name Phil Goldstein in The Violet Book of Mentalism in 1980.
In his effect "Racer's Edge" he uses cards with the names of horses on them to represent the names of the equine competitors in several races.
While simply crediting "Age Cards" and writing that the principle is "*Often referred to as the "Magic Age Cards," a binary sorting method that dates
back hundreds of years." He also employs the marking in the opposite way to the classic method, so that the participant KEEPS the cards with his/her item listed and discards the other. It is from the discards that the performer secretly learns the necessary information to determine the selection.
Max was the credited as the source of inspiration for the use of the "reverse binary" arrangement. To date, we are unaware of an earlier published explanation of it in a magic text, but we do have two sets of age cards that were used as advertising give-aways, both of which use the reverse arrangement and both of which use lists of things rather than simply digits. One of them dates to 1950, the other seems to be from around 1946. (special thanks to SC for allowing us to see actual examples of these earlier cards.)
When we shared the existence of the earlier applications of reverse binary with Max, he was excited, not disappointed, to learn that he had rediscovered something so wonderful and overlooked.
It should be mentioned that the credited use of Max's published approach (of the reverse procedure) was also utilized by Tom Stone in his electronic publication Gravel, published in 2003. In those notes, his excellent effect, The Test, uses reverse binary with symbols and secret markings on the backs of the cards.
Later, purchasers of 2017 release of The Works found two different sets of Age Receipts in the box (one set printed on Tyvek) again, operating on the reverse binary construction, and offered a new technique to utilizing a natural aspect of the blank backed receipts to be able to secretly identify them from across the room. The version titled StorAge is still one of our favorites and is always in the glove compartment of our car.
And, a unique and non-mathematical approach combining binary sorting and a kind of progressive description was used with a single receipt in the effect, The Action of Receiving, published in The Journal of Psience, Volume 1, Number 5 in 2017. Performers interested in different ways to approach the presentation of the effect are invited to look at the primary routine in the issue as well as the bonus item, Hunt and Gather, which uses the same non-mathematical binary receipts in addition to writing on the back of a receipt and a p**k wallet to increase the beats and expand the themes of the demonstration.
For those interested in exploring how powerful the secret application of simple binary principles can be, you are encouraged to read all of Leo Boudreau's published work, in addition to the dozens of other binary-based mysteries Max published under the names Maven and Goldstein. Though the original Color Series booklets are hard to come by, the material has been collected in the hardcover book PRISM, which is must-reading for magicians and mentalists.
Excited to learn more about the recent revelation about Scott Dressburgh. Have, as of yet, been unable to find him mentioned in any publications, ring reports (an important place to look for references to what magicians were performing for each other throughout the decades) or letters. Will be sure to put his name at the front of the list after it gets posted to the Conjuring Archive.
Nice of you to shed some light.
In regards to the "Reverse Binary Principle", whilst it is not explicitly the same (in a linear sense), Ben Maghy used a reverse style binary principle in Vol 26, Number 6 of Hokus Pokus (1965). The performer looks at the "discards" to determine what number a spectator initially thought of, to indicate the number that appears on all the cards in the spectator's hand. Leading the performer to know the new number a spectator is thinking of without having to look at the cards in the spectator's hands.
David.
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newguy
Elite user
411 Posts
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Posted: Feb 7, 2023 11:01 pm
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Forgot to mention that in The Journal of Psience Volume 1, Number 5, we shared the suggestion of using http://www.fakereceipt.us as a quick way to make a special or extra receipt.
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Mac_Stone
Inner circle
Miami, FL
1424 Posts
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Posted: Feb 7, 2023 11:06 pm
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Quote: On Feb 7, 2023, leipzisch wrote:
All of the statement appears authoritative.
The man himself appears manipulative.
Right, it sounds like we're back to those ad hominem attacks but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
Again, I don't want to be accused of deliberately misinterpreting you. How doe's one go about listing a series of facts without appearing authoritative? That's a genuine question, I'm trying to understand your point of view.
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Consultthemind1
Regular user
185 Posts
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Posted: Feb 7, 2023 11:12 pm
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Quote: On Feb 7, 2023, Mac_Stone wrote:
Quote: On Feb 7, 2023, leipzisch wrote:
All of the statement appears authoritative.
The man himself appears manipulative.
Right, it sounds like we're back to those ad hominem attacks but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
Again, I don't want to be accused of deliberately misinterpreting you. How doe's one go about listing a series of facts without appearing authoritative? That's a genuine question, I'm trying to understand your point of view.
The word "appears" is very relevant in leipzisch's post, you could be accused of doing the exact same thing - except you used the word "sounds" in place of appears.
Magicians helping magicians.
David.
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newguy
Elite user
411 Posts
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Posted: Feb 7, 2023 11:14 pm
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Consultthemind1, thank you.
Is that the Swiss publication?
And a little clarification as to the procedure, is the distribution opposite to the traditional markings (reverse binary) or is it that the performer is looking at the discards, doing the math and then subtracting that from an overall total to determine the selection?
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Schlawiner
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55 Posts
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Posted: Feb 7, 2023 11:14 pm
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I think he is referring to the fact that newguy was caught lying and praising himself over multiple years anonymously in a very weird way and instead of responding in some form, he just ignores it and instead drops a series of facts in an attempt to distract from it (thinking he can get away with it)
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Consultthemind1
Regular user
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Posted: Feb 7, 2023 11:26 pm
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Quote: On Feb 7, 2023, newguy wrote:
Consultthemind1, thank you.
Is that the Swiss publication?
And a little clarification as to the procedure, is the distribution opposite to the traditional markings (reverse binary) or is it that the performer is looking at the discards, doing the math and then subtracting that from an overall total to determine the selection?
Yes, Hokus Pokus Simsalabim (Hocus Pocus Abracadabra).
If I remember correctly, there is no need for any subtraction. The numbers on the discards are totalled, and the total of the binary gained from the discards is the only number that appears on each of the cards in the spectator's hand.
The spectator thought of two numbers in this effect, their initial value and then when they took out the cards with that value, they found a number that appeared on each card in their hand... It's a tedious process.
Whilst there is no subtraction, the idea of using the discards to determine the number without ever having to look at any of the cards in the spectator's hands reverses the process of the original Age Card principle (in choreographed process) as you're using the discards to determine the number, not the selected cards.
David.
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sileeni
Veteran user
UK.
361 Posts
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Posted: Feb 7, 2023 11:30 pm
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Remember when Kevin Spacey got caught for all of his sex offences and instead of acknowledging them, he just posted some weird video about being gay?
Michael Weber is trying to do the same deflection technique. Thinking that even if he finds Jesus Christ’s holy grail and on it is written “newguy invented receipts” that somehow it would wash away his sins. This level of manipulation and narcissism will be studied, referenced and credited in the history books for decades to come.
Also, Mac_Stone, for a moment your briefly posted from your “other” account. Considering people like yourself are against exposure, this is becoming poetic. If at any point there’s any confusion as to who Mac_Stone is, check his post history and ask who is Weber/Newguys partner in all of this. You’re welcome.
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DJG
Inner circle
1296 Posts
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Posted: Feb 7, 2023 11:31 pm
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Except we're passed that. Some say lie, some say misled. I say it was a classic marketing approach. But that's just my opinion. I believe it was the Swiss Magic Circle.
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takeachance
Inner circle
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Posted: Feb 7, 2023 11:31 pm
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When is the release date for this?
The people involved in the project are awesome and this will be a brilliant release.
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DJG
Inner circle
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Posted: Feb 7, 2023 11:32 pm
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Forgive my reply. Can't delete or edit. I am incorrect and appears out of context.
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leipzisch
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932 Posts
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Posted: Feb 7, 2023 11:33 pm
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Quote: On Feb 7, 2023, Schlawiner wrote:
I think he is referring to the fact that newguy was caught lying and praising himself over multiple years anonymously in a very weird way and instead of responding in some form, he just ignores it and instead drops a series of facts in an attempt to distract from it (thinking he can get away with it)
Just so.
Astonishing brazen.
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DJG
Inner circle
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Posted: Feb 7, 2023 11:33 pm
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Release date: Feb 13th
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Mac_Stone
Inner circle
Miami, FL
1424 Posts
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Posted: Feb 7, 2023 11:34 pm
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Quote: On Feb 7, 2023, Consultthemind1 wrote:
The word "appears" is very relevant in leipzisch's post, you could be accused of doing the exact same thing - except you used the word "sounds" in place of appears.
Magicians helping magicians.
David.
How exactly would you accuse me of doing the same thing? Genuine question as I'm not sure you understand the meaning of ad hominem.
I said I was giving him the benefit of the doubt and was seeking clarification on the substance of what he said. In order to accuse me of an ad hominem attack I would have had to say something about him personally.
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