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1tepa1 Inner circle 1389 Posts 
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Talking about angle z, that trick can not be the first time someone has come up with an idea of fake tearing a corner from a card and vanishing said corner. Magicians have been doing corner switches and other types of tricks with already torn cards for ages and angle z is what 10-15 years old? So you can not use angle z as a credit since it is almost certainly not original. In the card magic of Lepaul there is a pretorn card used in the torn and restored card. Its not the same effect as angle z, but it is a trick where you start with a card already prepared that has a corner missing. There is just no way that no magician before Madison did these tricks with a pretorn card and thought "what if I were to pretend to tear this corner off and use that one ahead principle to my advantage".
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1tepa1 Inner circle 1389 Posts
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Going by my memory, I remember seeing Jay Sankey perform an effect in one of his Dvd's where a signed coin and a torn corner from a card changed places. I don't remember exactly what happened but I think the signed coin was put inside some kind of a container, maybe a purse or some kind of a box. Then the spectator selected a card, and the magician took the card, tore the corner of and squeezed it in his hand, then when he opened his hand the signed coin was there, and when the purse was opened the corner was in the purse. This trick used the exact same "fake tear of an already torn card" method to it.
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Wravyn Inner circle 4229 Posts
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And don't forget about Doug Bennett's Business Merger using a business card, though your tear with the use without a wallet does set it apart.
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JanForster Inner circle Germany ... when not traveling... 4366 Posts
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... don't believe that I went through this entire thread...
The best part of it was to hear that Sudo is fine. Really happy about it. Missed your thinking and posting, and I am happy to have your entire work in my library. Concerning "EDCeipt": Certainly interesting for people new to the involved principles, I didn't care much as I am familiar with it and prefer to use or alter it to my own likening and needs what I've done and do so all the time. And in order avoiding trouble I keep it for myself...  ... Jan
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EZrhythm Inner circle Only three EZ payments for a PDF of my 2111 Posts
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On Feb 9, 2023, Nathan Alexander wrote: That was hillarious! But you flashed. You can see the plate of hot wings, carrots and celery with ranch dip for the epic reveal. How sharp are your teeth to be able to tear that tyvek?
How many magicians does it take to change a lightbulb? Regardless, for magicians darkness is a time for d'lite.
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AutarchicFlux Special user 797 Posts
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All drama aside, I think I must say that Transaction by Paul Fowler is essentially this same exact plot done in a way that's more direct and more convincing to the spectator. Frankly, the difference can be seen in the spectator reactions - just watch the performance videos promoting the two effects.
I would give the edge to Transaction for a number of reasons, including what I would consider to be a more powerful method, but I think a word also needs to be said about Tyvek receipts - I don't like them. I like that EDCeipt gives you the PDFs necessary to edit and print out your own receipts, and if I was going to perform this effect (I don't think I will) I would print the receipts out on something a bit more passable as the thermal paper used for receipts. Tyvek just FEELS heavy and expensive, and I think this hurts the credibility of the trick. There's also a lot more procedure and faffing about with EDCeipt, and I prefer the tiny bit of fishing required to pull off Transaction. That said, I would like it if Paul Fowler would also provide the PDFs necessary to reprint our own receipts as necessary! The ones provided with Transaction are sure to last a long time, though likely not as long as Tyvek. With a modern smart phone it isn't too difficult to take one's own pictures and use them as a future template for printouts, but I do appreciate this step being done for me. Overall, two very similar effects with distinct strengths and weaknesses. It all depends on what you think is the better way to get from A to B - personally I'll take fishing for one letter over making the spectator pore over each receipt. I think it is much faster and more direct, and most spectators will forget you ever had to pump them in the first place. |
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warren Inner circle uk 4916 Posts
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On Feb 9, 2023, AutarchicFlux wrote: You make some interesting points although I must admit I prefer that the receipts are made of Tyvek. Do you actually have both these effects or just one of them ? |
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EZrhythm Inner circle Only three EZ payments for a PDF of my 2111 Posts
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I agree and also prefer the receipts to be tyvek in this instance. It will be fun to "Do as I do" asking my audience to tear a receipt while I am tearing one able to be torn from a copy I will make. The "Do as I do" can be a segment in which I have a duplicate set of receipts. My audience and I can each choose an item from one of the receipts and then it can be revealed that we both chose the same item.
How many magicians does it take to change a lightbulb? Regardless, for magicians darkness is a time for d'lite.
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emyers99 Inner circle Columbus, Ohio 4991 Posts
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Re Transaction, the receipts are apparently printed on thermal paper but it’s much thicker than standard receipt paper. Feels more like normal paper than the thin receipt paper receipts are typically printed on. But the more you handle and wrinkle them, I doubt anyone would even question it. So not sure that tyvek would really feel/look that much different/worse.
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EZrhythm Inner circle Only three EZ payments for a PDF of my 2111 Posts
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I am going to pick up some of these to have a wallet for my receipts and as fun prize for the audience to "win" (Or what is contained inside.) if things go in their direction. -"If you know what I mean and I think you do, sir." -Bill Malone
Take a couple of these wallets and make a switching wallet so then you can reveal what the audience "could have won". 
Mighty Wallet
How many magicians does it take to change a lightbulb? Regardless, for magicians darkness is a time for d'lite.
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JDobbs New user 95 Posts
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On Feb 9, 2023, AutarchicFlux wrote: I just recieved Transaction. Not fan of instructional video. But the provide link to site you can create new receipts for local stores. Waiting for EDCeipt! |
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ablanathanalba Loyal user Can't really boast with only 288 Posts
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This whole imbroglio was just sad. I hope it's almost over. I can't wait to receive my copy of EDCeipt and play with it. For my money, just the names involved, sharing ideas for six or seven hours, make it worth the price of admission.
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Noobmaster69 Regular user 181 Posts
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On Feb 9, 2023, AutarchicFlux wrote: You can get a thermal printer for less than 20$. These are more like a toy and not really intended for printing receipts, but they will do the job perfectly fine. The paper is a little bit more narrow than most receipts from big supermarkets are nowadays, but I don't think that's a big issue... |
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Mad Jake Inner circle All the voices in my head helped me make 2304 Posts
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On Feb 10, 2023, Wravyn wrote: I've been using this since dad gave me his and he had 6 of them for back ups, he liked it so much. I carry it everywhere. It still fools the hell out of people.
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warren Inner circle uk 4916 Posts
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On Feb 9, 2023, JDobbs wrote: [/quote]
I just recieved Transaction. Not fan of instructional video. But the provide link to site you can create new receipts for local stores. Waiting for EDCeipt! [/quote] Once you have both I would love to hear your comparisons with the pro's and con's for both. |
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teenagelabotomy42 New user 94 Posts
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On Feb 10, 2023, Mad Jake wrote: I like Business Merger too! Especially Webber’s part. |
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strollingmagician Veteran user 306 Posts
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Well written summary of this thread. Get the popcorn. Lol
https://www.oneahead.com/p/whos-got-the-......um=email |
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Nathan Alexander Inner circle 2208 Posts
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On Feb 10, 2023, teenagelabotomy42 wrote: Is this still available somewhere? |
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Wravyn Inner circle 4229 Posts
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On Feb 10, 2023, Nathan Alexander wrote: Sterling Magic has a version out and also Penguin Magic has a version titled Torn & Restored Business Card by Gary Thison, whether credit is given to Doug Bennet, I do not know. The original version can be found at times on that big auction site. |
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BrainMagos Special user 539 Posts
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I went back and did a search on the magiccafe on newguy’s old posts to re-read and give context to the posts we now know Michael Weber posted under a pseudonym to defend all the delays, poor customer service, false promises etc. Real Secrets did at the time and the more I read them
the more I realized how despicable, manipulative, self-serving and devilish this guy is. I was a huge fan and believe I have 90% of everything MW released/published including all his lecture notes, wallet, real secret releases etc. I am making the decision to sell ALL my MW stuff and will NEVER buy any MW releases, even if he were to come up with the best magic trick or book in history. And yes, am calling for a boycott of Michael Weber given how appalling his behavior has been with/to the community! Unless he apologizes and comes forward to explain why he did what he did! Which he owes us if he cared for this community. BM |
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