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BrainMagos Special user 539 Posts 
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On Feb 12, 2023, The Unmasked Magician wrote: Precisely! And that’s why am calling for a boycott of everything Michael Weber unless he apologizes and comes forward PERSONALLY, not hiding through friends, to explain his lame behavior of the oast 20 years. BM |
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JD_UK Regular user 162 Posts
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Keep trying to read about this trick but this thread is full of such BS!! Can anyone actually talk about the effect!?
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strollingmagician Veteran user 306 Posts
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Spectators think of items on a KFC or Costco receipt. You tell them what they are thinking of. Method is better than the effect. Spectators would rather see ambitious card or something float.
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ricklaxmagic Special user West Bloomfield, Michigan 690 Posts
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On Feb 12, 2023, BrainMagos wrote: I have a feeling we'll get an apology from Weber even without the threats, though they're certainly understandable. As for tricks previously released, remember, his business does not thrive on people performing his tricks. Much the opposite. He makes more money when you DON'T perform his tricks so you have to buy more. And...I just don't think a boycott is necessary (or effective). People have called for boycotts of my tricks, and sales were always good. If a trick is good and well priced, people are going to buy it. But that works to our advantage here. If somebody is charging hundreds of dollars for ideas that people don't actually perform...the ONLY reason that person can do that for decades is because of market manipulation, and now I just don't think it's going to work any more. I actually think the next release from Weber will be a lot better and it will be fairly priced. That's necessary for him. (Meaning, if he wants to keep supporting himself from selling tricks to other magicians.) And, yes, an apology would be great. And I will believe him when, surely, he'll say that his good intentions got carried away and blinded him to the harm he was causing others. Already they've started this with Eric admitting to a fake account. Of course neither has apologized, but I do think this is movement in the right direction. And I think we should all encourage and reward these admissions in general, as we correctly pick apart the admissions' deceptions and inadequacies. Also, random thing...as somebody who used to support himself selling magic to magicians...it's a hard job! Only stepping away from it and getting another job has given me more perspective. |
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Alewishus Inner circle parts unknown 1230 Posts
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Most of us are here for the b.s.
A.
Sack subs, ok Ross?
We miss you asper. |
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The Unmasked Magician Inner circle If only I didn't have a wife and a kid I would have MUCH more than 3237 Posts
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On Feb 12, 2023, JD_UK wrote: Whoa, some next level newguy lack of compassion on display here  Apparently this BS doesn't matter to you, but it matters a lot to others. For very valid reasons, too. There's loads of info on this trick on the netz, JD.
Please check regularly if you are becoming the type of magician Jerry Seinfeld jokes about. (This applies to mentalists as well.)
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JD_UK Regular user 162 Posts
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On Feb 12, 2023, The Unmasked Magician wrote:  Yeah sorry, I'm not interested in the drama. I keep trying to find info but actual trick info is few & far between. Basically 41 pages of arguments.
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strollingmagician Veteran user 306 Posts
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Watch the demo video & read ad copy bro. Bigger issues here.
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leipzisch Inner circle 1407 Posts
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On Feb 12, 2023, JD_UK wrote: Craig and Murphys have already posted a bunch of videos discussing, performing, showing props etc for EDCeipt. Literally could not be easier to find. |
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EZrhythm Inner circle Only three EZ payments for a PDF of my 2111 Posts
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I believe the effect launches tomorrow. Keep an eye out in the Tricks and Effects forum as more people receive it.
How many magicians does it take to change a lightbulb? Regardless, for magicians darkness is a time for d'lite.
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leipzisch Inner circle 1407 Posts
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Intrepid, I'm curious about this sentence:
'I firmly believe all of the players involved are nice, charming and truly caring people that where acting in what they sincerely believed were good intensions at the time.' Really? REALLY??!! |
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Seth speaks Inner circle New Mexico 1274 Posts
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On Feb 12, 2023, ricklaxmagic wrote: I agree 100%! Learning about all this behind the scenes nastiness from folks I previously admired is blowing my mind. @Rick, it is SO good to hear you joining in and saying this stuff, as I think it is really important. I've noticed your absence, and miss you!! One of my fave creators. After hearing all the sh!t you went through, I kind of want to give you a hug!! Hope you consider staying awhile... Seth |
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ifenn New user London 11 Posts
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On Feb 12, 2023, JD_UK wrote: Thank you for your contribution. |
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Consultthemind1 Regular user 185 Posts
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Jason reached out to me in a private message and gave me an answer to whether he believed Weber's behaviour was okay or not.
I am hoping he comes on here and posts. I have messaged back and told him that I don't understand his reasoning for holding onto any answer to any question asked in the thread, but ultimately it's up to him to come on and face the community. David. |
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leipzisch Inner circle 1407 Posts
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No doubt his reasoning will upon first inspection appear superficially profound, yet upon closer inspection will prove to be vacuous nonsense.
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strollingmagician Veteran user 306 Posts
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On Feb 12, 2023, Consultthemind1 wrote: Well? What did he say since he won’t tell us? |
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leipzisch Inner circle 1407 Posts
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I've been pretty forthright in my criticism of a range of individuals in this thread.
But even I draw the line at breaching confidences. |
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Consultthemind1 Regular user 185 Posts
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On Feb 12, 2023, leipzisch wrote: Trust me; it didn't come across as profound, not even on the surface. There wasn't much to unpack other than a weird need for him to hold onto the answer he had given me because "I" and others had not asked him in a manner he deemed fit. He did make a promise that he was going to come on and give an answer to the question I asked - when he deemed the time was right. There are two reasons I am not sharing what he said (right now). One, it will speak volumes about his integrity (either way) and two, he sent it to me in a private message, and I feel that (right now) it is not my answer to give. If I misquote or take it out of context then it is on me, and I would then be as bad as them. I am not interested in putting myself in that situation. However, the moment I feel this is a ploy by Jason to silence me (to buy time) or control the way I post, then I will shut it down. David. |
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qkeli Special user paris,france 798 Posts
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I was reading another post regarding an old release Craig and his following post from January 2014 is interesting :
« Firstly I would like to say how deeply embarrassed I am with this situation. What you are posting on here I deserve and profoundly apologies. There are no excuses, but I would never intentionally release someone else’s effect without proper credit. Anybody that has seen one of my previous releases will know that I am passionate about crediting. I have been releasing magic too long to know that if a move, idea or concept has been used before there is always somebody who will bring it to the communities attention. This is why I would not intentionally publish someone else’s material without proper credit as well as my own moral conscience. I 'came up' with Red two years ago and when people started mentioning, firstly an effect by Ron Wilson and then New Wave Prediction, I would have sworn on a stack of bibles that Red was an independent creation despite similarities. The most likely thing that's happened, is that ten years ago I did a trick and then stopped doing it and then years later I 'reinvented it'. However this is what's driving me crazy, as I don't remember. The other option, is my business partner at the time posted as me on magic bunny, as we used the same computer frequently, but that seems unlikely. I know this sort of thing has happened before in the magic world, but it has never happened to me this has certainly made me think twice about going on a ‘rant’. Once again I apologise if I have let anybody down. I know that World Magic Shop are in communication with Bob King regarding this issue and I will fully support them whilst they hopefully resolve this. Craig » |
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strollingmagician Veteran user 306 Posts
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Seems like Jason England is trying to control the narrative by only responding to certain people and avoiding questions. Smells very fishy.
Thousands of us on the Café have given countless dollars over the years to the magic mafia. We deserve answers! Any other bombshells coming? |
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