|
|
|
|||
| Go to page [Previous] 1~2~3..12..21..30..39..45~46~47~48~49..53..56..59..62..63~64~65 [Next] | ||||||||||
DJG Inner circle 1426 Posts 
|
Ok this is getting waaaay too nit picky for me. One plaintiff, one defendant, one judge... but then Harvey Levin had to go ask people who may or may not have even been watching for their opinion.
|
|||||||||
|
Mac_Stone Inner circle Miami, FL 1524 Posts
|
Quote:
On Feb 13, 2023, gumbimagic wrote: 
|
|||||||||
|
mike donoghue Inner circle 1321 Posts
|
Up to page 47 & this is ridiculous.
Argument after argument Bullies now getting bullied Why can’t we just discuss the effect & if it’s good to perform in the real world ? Have been involved in magic lots of years & been getting paid to perform lots of years & will reach 63 yrs old on 16 th of this month & this article is very sad & disappointing to read . No wonder I left the Café for a few years Playground mentality comes to mind . Off to look at a different product now as this one is gloom & doom to read |
|||||||||
|
Winnes Elite user 500 Posts
|
Ok, back on track. This product (not project, not sure why everything gets regarded as a “project” now), is good and well worth the money. IMHO Transaction provides a similar but cleaner main effect, but this is still a really good purchase.
|
|||||||||
|
dirtyfoucault Special user UK 854 Posts
|
Yeah, I mean...47 pages in and I do think Transaction is a better, cleaner effect.
(But the argument's here about the future of magic are more interesting) |
|||||||||
RNK Inner circle 8212 Posts
|
Quote:
On Feb 13, 2023, mike donoghue wrote: Totally agree, yet after your post you still have people who are not directly involved in the matter stoking the fire wanting to keep it lit. People love drama and negativity. Truly sad. Hope the mods will at least LOCK this topic.
Check out Bafflingbob.com
|
|||||||||
|
The Unmasked Magician Inner circle If only I didn't have a wife and a kid I would have MUCH more than 3265 Posts
|
You don’t have to read this thread, RNK. Just about every other thread, of which there are thousands, is about other stuff. Read that. And I think 124 000 views should tell you something is going on that a lot of people care about. This is a lot bigger than discussing if the newest shiny item looks good or not. And please don’t try to put words in the mouths of the mods. They don’t need you to make up their mind, trust me.
Please check regularly if you are becoming the type of magician Jerry Seinfeld jokes about. (This applies to mentalists as well.)
|
|||||||||
|
RNK Inner circle 8212 Posts
|
Hence why so many top names don't come here....
Check out Bafflingbob.com
|
|||||||||
|
The Unmasked Magician Inner circle If only I didn't have a wife and a kid I would have MUCH more than 3265 Posts
|
Not under their own name
Please check regularly if you are becoming the type of magician Jerry Seinfeld jokes about. (This applies to mentalists as well.)
|
|||||||||
|
The Unmasked Magician Inner circle If only I didn't have a wife and a kid I would have MUCH more than 3265 Posts
|
And you best believe just about every top name is following this thread
Please check regularly if you are becoming the type of magician Jerry Seinfeld jokes about. (This applies to mentalists as well.)
|
|||||||||
|
leipzisch Inner circle 1425 Posts
|
Quote:
On Feb 13, 2023, Morganjj wrote: Okay, let's deal with this head on. If you are wondering why I (and others) still bring up Red, it's due to points 2 and 3 above. There are a couple of possibilities: a) Craig knowingly lied about stealing New Wave Prediction, then pretended he forgot about his favourite packet trick. b) Craig knowingly lied about how long he had performed Red for. And didn't do any meaningful research (or even check his own memory) before marketing Red. It can ONLY be one or the other scenario. And I have not seen, read or heard Craig admit to either (MORE than happy to be corrected on this). When somebody doesn't take responsibility for their actions (for many, vague comments about 'making a mistake' don't cut it), it is hard to forgive. And even harder to forget. You see, when Craig turns up again a few years later and says or does things that might be misconstrued (hello Quantum Deck and Adam Wilber, for one example), it is easier to think 'he's at it again', rather than assume honesty. I'd like to think if Craig had been truly open about the mistakes he had made at the time (eg "I've been a hypocrite. I have lied and I've learned my lesson. This will never happen again"), he may never have had to leave the magic scene. And he may have been surprised by the respect he would have earned. And who knows? Maybe those grudges may not have festered and the EDCeipt fiasco wouldn't have happened. Maybe I'm being naive. Either way, I believe that this whole episode might just be a blessing in disguise, as it has uncovered how profoundly lacking in ethics (and respect for the community) some of the most prominent magic creators are. This I see as useful information. Now the market can decide where to take their business, with their eyes a little more open. |
|||||||||
|
dirtyfoucault Special user UK 854 Posts
|
We're talking about something that happened years ago, that Craig has repeatedly apologised for and is clearly still traumatised by. 13 years or whatever it is. You get less for murder in some places. Putting someone on eternal trial doesn't seem like a great way to go.
|
|||||||||
|
leipzisch Inner circle 1425 Posts
|
Respectfully, I don't think this is what's going on here at all.
|
|||||||||
|
RNK Inner circle 8212 Posts
|
Quote:
On Feb 13, 2023, The Unmasked Magician wrote: And finally when the chatter stops here you best believe nothing will come from it or happen. You'll have some stand by who they believe and others who they believe and magic will continue to get created and purchased. Corruption is corruption, it gets exposed and nothing happens. This is just on a much smaller scale, obviously. Shame there isn't a jury selected that could make final thoughts. Maybe the Café powers to be could select some members to review all 48 pages, come together on a zoom meeting and issue a final decision. Any bets on how many pages this will get to?
Check out Bafflingbob.com
|
|||||||||
|
Winnes Elite user 500 Posts
|
No, what is going on here is a classic case of “Yes, but..”
“Yes I know we’re talking about this but years ago…” |
|||||||||
|
leipzisch Inner circle 1425 Posts
|
I think it's worth understanding how we got here.
|
|||||||||
|
dirtyfoucault Special user UK 854 Posts
|
If we're going historical (which I think it counterproductive to moving forwards positively), then you have to look at the whole incident and what has happened since. Trono and Weber played a significant part back then which shaped how we got here.
|
|||||||||
|
leipzisch Inner circle 1425 Posts
|
Yes, it sounds like they did.
Though I believe we've yet to hear from Craig exactly what they said and did back then. |
|||||||||
|
gumbimagic Veteran user Too busy performing to have more than 327 Posts
|
Quote:
On Feb 13, 2023, Mac_Stone wrote: So, nobody even noticed my prior comment and Mac_Stone’s response? I am guessing that was a response of yup you got me. Meaning Mac_Stone is Newguy aka Weber, or one of the legion known as Newguy…another Sock Puppet. |
|||||||||
|
Joe Roberts Special user 930 Posts
|
Quote:
On Feb 13, 2023, dirtyfoucault wrote: I wish we had more details on what happened in the past since that might explain what happened here. I would like to see what Weber & Trono did with regard to Red behind the scenes because it didn't happen on this site. Rick Lax posted that he's been bullied by newguy here but if you read the actual posts they don't show that. Was the bullying Craig got from Weber also more in his head than in reality? Is whatever they did behind the scenes to keep a stolen trick from being released worse than what Craig would do when he thought a trick had been stolen? I have evidence that I shouldn't believe newguy or maybe any other unnamed person's opinions on Weber's products but I haven't seen the evidence of the bullying that started all of this. |
|||||||||
| The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » Latest and Greatest? » » EDCeipt by Craig Petty - BRAND NEW » » TOPIC IS LOCKED (2348 Likes) | ||||||||||
| Go to page [Previous] 1~2~3..12..21..30..39..45~46~47~48~49..53..56..59..62..63~64~65 [Next] | ||||||||||
Posted: Feb 13, 2023 02:56 pm 
| [ Top of Page ] |
|
All content & postings Copyright © 2001-2026 Steve Brooks. All Rights Reserved. This page was created in 0.03 seconds requiring 5 database queries. |
|
The views and comments expressed on The Magic Café are not necessarily those of The Magic Café, Steve Brooks, or Steve Brooks Magic. > Privacy Statement < 
|