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Pyppo100
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Which of these two Bannon effects do you prefer, regardless of presentation?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH5D5WQdBT8 (Collusion);

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYQ-YALXuzQ&t=172s (Four Sided Gemini).

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Personally speaking, Collusion is genius. (As are pretty much most of John's stuff).
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On Mar 14, 2023, darren-uk wrote:
Personally speaking, Collusion is genius. (As are pretty much most of John's stuff).


I agree... maybe "Four Sided Gemini" might make one think more of an initial setup than "Collusion"?

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Another vote for Collusion. Four-Sided Gemini left me unimpressed.

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I vote Collusion as well.
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Re Collusion: Wouldn't count-dealing to the "created" card from the top of the deck look better? Dealing from the bottom seems weak and somehow gives a clue to the setup. It would require repositioning the target card to the top before counting/dealing to it, but I believe it's feasible while keeping the effect in the self-working category.
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Personally I think the revelation of four of a kind (4 Sided Gemini) is more powerful (for lay audiences).
BUT I prefer Pre-Prefiguration because I think the method is better disguised, and the final card comes as a better surprise.

Claudio - I think counting from the face is absolutely fine (but I am much less experienced than you!)
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You might well be right, Nikodemus, and it's probably a case of running without being chased. Still, from an aesthetic viewpoint I'd rather deal from the top to be consistent with the two previous deals.

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I’ve just hit on a very simple handling (still to be tried) to do just that. Happy to discuss in the secret sessions if there's any interest.
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You might well be right, Nikodemus, and it's probably a case of running without being chased. Still, from an aesthetic viewpoint I'd rather deal from the top to be consistent with the two previous deals.

Edit:
I’ve just hit on a very simple handling (still to be tried) to do just that. Happy to discuss in the secret sessions if there's any interest.


I am very interested in your variant! ;-)


Thanks!
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On Mar 16, 2023, Claudio wrote:
You might well be right, Nikodemus, and it's probably a case of running without being chased. Still, from an aesthetic viewpoint I'd rather deal from the top to be consistent with the two previous deals.

Edit:
I’ve just hit on a very simple handling (still to be tried) to do just that. Happy to discuss in the secret sessions if there's any interest.


I am very interested in your variant! ;-)


Thanks!


I sent you a PM.
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On Mar 17, 2023, Pyppo100 wrote:
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On Mar 16, 2023, Claudio wrote:
You might well be right, Nikodemus, and it's probably a case of running without being chased. Still, from an aesthetic viewpoint I'd rather deal from the top to be consistent with the two previous deals.

Edit:
I’ve just hit on a very simple handling (still to be tried) to do just that. Happy to discuss in the secret sessions if there's any interest.


I am very interested in your variant! ;-)


Thanks!


I sent you a PM.


I also sent you a private message. ;-)
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I've been asked to describe my handling by a couple of members so I’ve started a new topic in the Secret Sessions forum to start a discussion.
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