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Dr Dee New user 65 Posts |
Does anyone know about the history of Peter Warlock’s Triple Tubes? I don’t want methods etc, just a little of the history. A dealer’s catalogue description would be ace. I can’t find the apparatus mentioned in the listings of Elizabeth Warlock’s collection. I’m slowly working my way through Warlock’s Pentagram. Loving the process. But curious whether they are described elsewhere…
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JNeal Inner circle I used to have 999 posts, now I have 1617 Posts |
I know a bit about it and was in communication with someone else a few years back, who had a set.
He confirmed my understanding as to details. I have a copy of the ad as published in MagicGram in the 70's. I think the ad won't be small enough to upload here on the forum. Send me an email and I'll send it directly to you; My email is JNWonderbiz@gmail.com I think this trick could still be effective today!
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FrankFindley Inner circle 1028 Posts |
It was derived from Okito's work. In fact, they were often referred to as Okito-Warlock Triple Tubes.
Here is an early supreme ad (Linking Ring Vol. 51 No. 7 July 1971): I believe that Peter Warlock had an article called "Giant Triple Tubes" in one of the volumes of Adair's Encyclopedia of Dove Magic. Will check when I get back to my library. |
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FrankFindley Inner circle 1028 Posts |
JNeil posted while I was writing my response. I've always known that he has quicker hands then me.
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Dr Dee New user 65 Posts |
Dear Jonathan and Frank (if I may),
Thank you so much for the mercurially swift responses! It hadn’t occurred to me to check Supreme. I don’t recall seeing the advert before, I will enjoy scouring the catalogues. This, and the Okito and Adair leads are feast enough. I will let you know if I find anything else interesting. With appreciation! |
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FrankFindley Inner circle 1028 Posts |
Got home. The information for Adair reference is:
Adair's Encyclopedia of Dove Magic Volume Two pages 109 to 111: Giant-Size Triple Tubes by Peter Warlock. |
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Dr Dee New user 65 Posts |
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On Apr 6, 2023, FrankFindley wrote: Absolutely brilliant. Thank you for your help!! |
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JNeal Inner circle I used to have 999 posts, now I have 1617 Posts |
Frank, you are no slouch when it comes to supplying great information! My copy of the ad is principally the same as yours, so now Dr. Dee has what he needs!
Frank, I wonder how large does the DoveEncyclopedia suggest for their Giant size?
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FrankFindley Inner circle 1028 Posts |
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On Apr 6, 2023, JNeal wrote: The article doesn't give any specific dimensions which is unusual for the book. Most illustrations of apparatus in it give typical measurements. So not sure what constitutes "giant" in this case. Most of the difference vs. the non-giant version is adjusting it to make sure the dove is safe. |
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hugmagic Inner circle 7655 Posts |
Okito on Magic has more information on it. As I recall, the Grant ones were about 4" diameter and about 12" tall. About the same size as the large Rice Haunted Chimneys. Bill Brewe used to use the rolls for copy machines to make the tubes.
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JNeal Inner circle I used to have 999 posts, now I have 1617 Posts |
I think from my perspective, that the ideal proportions would be 3" x 10"... the same size as Ade Duval's P and L tubes.
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Dr Dee New user 65 Posts |
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On Apr 7, 2023, hugmagic wrote: Huge thanks for this. I have a copy of Quality Magic which doesn’t talk about the triple tubes. I see Okito on Magic lists ‘The Nested Tubes’ which I am guessing are what I seek, though I wouldn’t have necessarily worked this out from a more casual survey. Thank you all for your thoughts and references. A most positive investigation. I enjoy a slow exploration, even the dead ends, but you have all helped me find my way so swiftly. I will check back in should I encounter any further history. A very grateful Dr Dee. |
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FrankFindley Inner circle 1028 Posts |
For completeness sake, did a quick check of photos for the original equipment and came across one from ebay with original folded instruction sheet. Zoomed in one can read the original description of effect. I blotted out where start of the method begins.
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FrankFindley Inner circle 1028 Posts |
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On Apr 7, 2023, Dr Dee wrote: You are definitely on the right track, Dr. Dee. Peter Warlock drew on two Okito principles to make a much stronger effect. The first is from the Nested Tubes. The other is from the Crystal Casket & Screen Vanish. The Okito Nested tubes used three opaque tubes and manipulation. The principle borrowed from the Okito Crystal Casket & Screen Vanish allows two of the tubes to be made transparent much enhancing the audience perception that the tubes are empty. The handling for the original nested tubes can be found in several sources in addition to Okito on Magic. One readily available one is Walter Gibson's Encyclopedia of Magic & Conjuring. Here is Lupe from Nielsen Magic demonstrating their beautiful version of the Okito Nested Tubes: |
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AllanK Loyal user Australia 212 Posts |
I had the Supreme version that Frank has shown above. It is probably the only Supreme prop that I was disappointed with because the clear tube is made of thin flexible acetate plastic, the type once commonly used on shirt box lids. It cracked and bent easily and was a very tight fit over the solid tubes. However, it was a brilliant concept and very deceptive.
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AllanK Loyal user Australia 212 Posts |
Correction to the above post of mine. There were two clear tubes and one solid tube.
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Dr Dee New user 65 Posts |
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I had the Supreme version that Frank has shown above. It is probably the only Supreme prop that I was disappointed with because the clear tube is made of thin flexible acetate plastic, the type once commonly used on shirt box lids. It cracked and bent easily and was a very tight fit over the solid tubes. However, it was a brilliant concept and very deceptive. Ugh. Shirt box lids that crease with opaque lines. I’d wager current materials are far more robust. My local hardware store is an incredible resource and I’ve used it to update some of my less hardy apparatus. I’ve spent hours there, transfixed by the tubes. But there’s nothing I can do to fix my ancient production items. My rubber chickens and doves ‘melted’ in their boxes. As did my Sterling Egg on Fan gimmick. What perished first: the chicken or the egg? Apologies for the digression and thanks, all, for establishing a very helpful Triple Tubes department. I am still hunting through Peter Warlock writings. Nothing in Warlock’s Way. |
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AllanK Loyal user Australia 212 Posts |
Dr Dee, Supreme did manufacture a few props with solid clear perspex tubes. I guess the problem was not being able to get nesting tubes of the correct diameters. As for rubber chickens and doves, alas I too have several melted props. For the Sterling Egg on Fan, I always made my own using Harold Taylor's "recipe" on pages 191 and 192 of "Magic as Entertainment", but using white vinegar instead of 33% acetic acid.
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Dr Dee New user 65 Posts |
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As for rubber chickens and doves, alas I too have several melted props. For the Sterling Egg on Fan, I always made my own using Harold Taylor's "recipe" on pages 191 and 192 of "Magic as Entertainment", but using white vinegar instead of 33% acetic acid. That’s a remarkable bit of synchronicity: I’ve just been spending time with Magic as Entertainment and singing the praises of Harold Taylor here on the Café! So much wisdom to be gleaned. I was always intrigued by his statement that a duck egg fake does not discolour like a chicken’s egg (Q.E.D.). And treasure the fact that Max Sterling was a chicken farmer! |
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AllanK Loyal user Australia 212 Posts |
Dr Dee, Harold Taylor was a true inspiration for me in magic. I first saw him perform the Egg on Fan on The David Nixon Show back in the 1970s and was absolutely stunned. There is a wonderful Martin Breese magicassette interview with Harold with the title "The Angle of a Pro" that is now available in digital form from Lybrary.com - I still listen to it for inspiration.
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