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MagicbyCarlo
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For private parties (non-restaurant), right now I charging $200 for a single hour, and $100 per additional hour.

I'm wondering what the rate is where others are working.

If you don't want to discuss this openly PM me.
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I think that is about the going rate where I live.
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Carlo,
That's about right.
I charge about $150 an hour for a maximum of two hours (my poor old legs won't take any longer than that! LOL!)
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Peter,
I know what you mean! Aleave and I are good friends, two before any gig longer than an hour. It keeps my surgically altered low back from barking to loudly.
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Rates are a bit higher here in Southern California, but I'm seriously considering moving to Frank's neck of the woods, so I guess I'd better set my sights a bit lower - or plan to cultivate a better-healed clientele than Frank's!

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Alright I'll come out of my Magic Café Retirement for a moment to drop this unbelieveable bit of advice for young Carlo and then I'll scramble back to where it's safe...

Carlo, I looked at your site, and your June schedule indicated that you had approximately 16 events.

Assuming each of those was a 2 hour event ($300/event) then you grossed approximately $4,800 in June.

So here's the blockbuster bit of advice...if you're working that much, INCREASE YOUR FEES!

Seriously. If you're maintaing that type of schedule, I'd charge at least $325 for the first hour and $225 each additional hour.

Now you all are probably thinking I'm off my rocker...

Here's the logic - if Carlo is averaging 16 gigs a month, and he jumps his fees up, he's guaranteed to lose some business.

Let's make it a big number like 25% of those. So he loses 4 gigs, or approximately $1,200 of income (assuming 2 hour gigs).

So no he's doing only 12 gigs per month at $325/$225. That's $550 per gig.

That now means $6,600.00 per month. A near 35% increase in gross earnings, considering a 25% loss in bookings.

In other words...way less work, way more money.

BTW...FWIW...as you asked, my strolling rate is $450/$350.

And with that I'm officially retiring from Magic Café...again.

Bye guys.
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I live in a small town but charge $100 per hour. buy 2 or more hours and get a 15% discount on every othe hour
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I spent a lot of time & effort marketing to higher income clientle. I do a lot of private parties and wine tastings for doctors & lawyers ect. My wedding shows are targeted at couples that don't have to worry about budget. Strolling magic I charge $500 1st hour, $400 2nd hour, $300 3rd hour. The price on my wedding shows vary a little by package and # of people but it works out to about $1200 for a full show on a Saturday night. At these prices I don't work a whole lot but when I do it's worth it.
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Strolling in any major market should sell for at least $500 per hour with an optional (i.e. you as the performer decides if you want to offer it) discount for additional hours.

In smaller markets the fee will be less but here is a good way to figure a fair fee...find a decent two bedroom apartment, two to three hours of strolling should pay the rent.... Los Angeles that means $500 an hour same in Seattle where rent will be $1000-$1500. Denver with rent at $750-$1000 aropund $375 to $500 is a fair rate.

As for the rest of it I agree with Robert...

P.S. just showing up here violated the conditions of my parole so I shall now retreat before I get in more trouble....
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That's the problem here in malta , the art of magic isn't apreciated , I mean business wise . usually I charge around 100$ per hr with a maximum of 2 hrs

and even at that rate they tend to feel its on the steep side

well this is their way of thinking

I used to work for 6 mnths for a pub and grill every sat night , doing the tables .

after the contract closed I had another offer from a different place but after about4 months I went back to try to make a new contract with the bar and gril and this is what they said " hey your exelent in entertaing the guests, but for around 50$ I'm getting this painist which plays here for 4 hrs instead of 2 hrs , "
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Actually, money shouldn't be what it's all about.

While there are several good points made here about higher rates, I purposely keep my rates low for a very important reason:

People today, especially young people, are raised on a "diet" of computers, DVDs, television, etc. You might be the only live performer that they ever see, and your rates should not be so "out of sight" that they can't afford that!

To set your rates too high is to be elitist, allowing only those who can afford it to see a live performer. Now, if that's what you want, that's fine; but . . .
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I think you can find a market for anything you want to charge. The job becomes selling and servicing that market. The better image you can project with your service, appearance and contracts, the easier it is to get more money. Why does a T shirt cost more at Nordstoms than Walmart?

So work smarter, not harder and have more free time to learn and be with your family. You need free time to grow and recharge your batteries. I charge a million dollars for a private close up show. I may not sell many, but I only have to sell one(JOKE).

Actually I charge what a DJ would for a few hours work and that is $500.00. It is not based on hours, unless I think it will go more than three. I usually go and do some strolling until I have hit all the guests and then go home. If they want me to add a stand up performance, I up it another $100.00 as I am already there. This is for private parties in someone's home. It can be 10 or 50 guests, it doesn't matter. I am hired for birthday parties, anniversaries, graduations, holiday parties at that rate.

For store openings, faires, corporate functions, it is another matter altogether.

Charge what you are worth and be worth more than you charge.

Kirk
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Amen to Peter's last post. There is an asumption in this thread that we should charge the maximum that we possibly can, and that it doesn't not matter where we perform. Or rather, our goal should be to perform at the places that can pay the most.

I feel otherwise. One of the reasons I quit my previous lifestyle and became an artist is to have different priorities than just money.

I love making money, and I'm very grateful I can make a living from magic, but I also love performing, and wealthy folks are not the only people I love sharing my magic with.

If I raised my rates (which are about the same as Peter's) I would be robbing myself of the opportunity to perform for such a wide variety of people. That's a type of poverty I'm not interested in.

By the way, a t-shirt at Nordstrom's cost more than Wal-Mart because Nordstrom's pays adequately, respects its employees, doesn't hate unions, and doesn't support the most exploitative sweatshop labor in the worst human rights-violating contries in the world. Wal-Mart's goal is to exploit as many folks a possible to make a quick buck. Nordstrom's (I hope) cares more about its community than that.
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I often notice that the more the wealth, the bigger the ego, the smaller the imagination, and the less willing they are to experience magic.
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On 2004-07-09 01:17, RobertBloor wrote:
So here's the blockbuster bit of advice...if you're working that much, INCREASE YOUR FEES!

That now means $6,600.00 per month. A near 35% increase in gross earnings, considering a 25% loss in bookings.

In other words...way less work, way more money.


Robert's trying to teach us simple economics; the technical term for the rate / booking point he's describing is the point of unitary elasticity. That's a fancy way of saying that you set your price so that a 1% price increase will result in a 1% decrease in bookings; it's the point at which you maximize your income.

While Peter makes a good point about fewer and fewer people getting the chance to see a live performance, and that we (probably) should do our best to reverse that trend, I cannot agree with his assessment that someone who raises his prices as Robert suggests is "elitist". There are many valid reasons to perform magic, and earning a living is one of them; it is as valid (and noble) a reason as wanting to bring joy into other people's lives. If earning a living is your goal, there is nothing - nothing - wrong with earning the best living you can, within the confines of the law and morals. There is absolutely no reason to apologize for following sound economic theory when operating a business.
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It started as a simple question "How much do people charge for close up?"

and then decended into being artists and walmart exploiting workers which is a blatent lie, Walmart does not and never has exploited workers

but it is a great sensationalist claim to support you specious position congratulations on some great propaganda....
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I'm sorry you feel that magicians calling ourselves "artists," descends the conversation in some way.
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I think it is funny that the most salient point of my post seems to be overlooked in a desire to take a poke at Walmart.

I also really thought I would get some comment on the Million Dollar Fee.

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On 2004-07-09 23:55, KirkG wrote:
I . . . really thought I would get some comment on the Million Dollar Fee.


My wife liked it.
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