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GJo Veteran user 314 Posts 
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Hello All. I'm looking for a Hopping Halves routine that avoids asking a spec what coin remains in the hand only to reveal the spec is wrong. I don't like how it repeatedly makes the spec look foolish.
I'd also like to find a Hopping Halves routine that might be done without the traditional handling of the final move which always creates an unrealistic sound as the [ is removed (despite how carefully I do it). I did once see a routine done on a table using a playing card. That was an interesting alternative. I have not found a routine that speaks to me. The routine would use traditional gaffs since that's what I own and I'd like to use it. |
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2389 Posts
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Peter Pitchford's "Romance Coins" doesn't have the spectator guess.
I have a story about "homing coins" that avoids the challenge/guessing game as well, and another where I pretend I messed up by putting the wrong color coin in my pocket, and ask if I can start over. I snap my fingers and "start over" with both coins back in my hand. This continues until I get so frustrated I decide to "just skip the whole thing" (hands empty). I'm not sure the last unnesting needs to be quiet. For me, at that point the coin has already "returned" so the sound of two coins as you go to open your hand and display them makes sense. |
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GJo Veteran user 314 Posts
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Doug Conn has a Hopping Halves routine where he keeps “forgetting” how to do the trick and which coin to take. He does it on a table and uses a hat to hide the coins. Then after the final reveal, he says “forget it” as if he can’t remember how it’s supposed to be done. It’s clever. And it avoids in-hand unnesting.
I like the self-deprecating aspect. |
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karnak Special user Connecticut 769 Posts
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I don’t put the spectator on the spot, because I don’t ask the spectator which coin remains in my hand.
My approach is non-interactive, insofar as I instead present the whole thing as a re-enactment or demonstration of “here’s this weird thing that happens whenever I play with these two special coins; I can’t explain it, but it just keeps happening, for some bizarre reason.” So I come off being just as baffled and mystified as the spectator when my own guesses repeatedly prove incorrect. In other words, I play the sucker myself, instead of making the spectator look bad. They’re just as fooled, but they retain their dignity.
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Signet Loyal user 259 Posts
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There's a video on Youtube. I forget the name but it's something about my grandpas coins. He says his grandpa died before he could tell him the end of the trick. It might be worth looking at.
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GJo Veteran user 314 Posts
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Thanks everyone. I appreciate the ideas.
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GJo Veteran user 314 Posts
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Here's a link to Doug Conn's handling of the Hipping Halves plot:
https://youtu.be/PPOm89z4vpI |
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fish11 New user 44 Posts
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I use a quiver coin purse and say it's a mini time machine. I remove a coin tap the purse and show the coin back in my hand traveling back in time a few seconds. On the last coin I have the spectator tap the purse and show my hand empty and say it went a little further back in time when the coins were in the purse and dump out both coins.
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Bill Citino Special user Doylestown, PA 845 Posts
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Here’s something I’ve been playing with lately. It’s a version of the plot without the typical gaff set: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CpT9NTiNI......MWExZg==
I’d also second Peter Pitchford’s “Romance Coins”’if you can track a copy of his notes down. |
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tonsofquestions Inner circle 1895 Posts
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That's very nice for not using the standard set. If my guess is right, it still uses a special something, rather than a regular extra coin, correct?
I didn't see that ending coming, though. Bravo! |
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Bill Citino Special user Doylestown, PA 845 Posts
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On May 11, 2023, tonsofquestions wrote: You’re correct. You do need something extra that most would likely have. |
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wulfiesmith Inner circle Beverley, UK 1339 Posts
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On Apr 27, 2023, GJo wrote: thanks for the link ... |
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imgic Inner circle Moved back to Midwest to see 1366 Posts
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I also hated the challenge aspect of Hopping Half. About two years ago I got a quiver purse and duplicate English penny and half dollar and came up with following routine.
I take out gimmick from quiver and talk about how I’m learning an advanced sleight called “reverse palming.” Where palming is hiding something. Reverse palmi is where you make it appear to take soemthing but really don’t. And I take the half and put in I’m my pocket. Then reveal the two coins still in my hand. I then talk about why I have two different coins and say how the ridges on the half make it easier to grip. While the smooth sides of the penny make it trickier, so it’s good practice to use the different coins, I then put the penny in my pocket…then receal both coins still in my hand. I then say it’s actually pretty easy and I have the half on top of the penny and hold it towards spectator and ask them to gently grab the Half by the sides and give it to me (this is a great convincer that these ar normal coins!). I put the Half in my pocket and then reveal both coins still in left hand. I then take the penny out and put it in my pocket, claiming I still have problems with the smooth sides of the penny,,,i open my left hand showing it empty and say yep, I missed it that time. Then I say how even when I mess up, I’m still able to use the old palm method to sneak the coins back into the purse. Then I shake out the regular coins from the quiver, and they can be examined. My only issue with the routine is I have terrible pocket maintenance and when I put gimmicked coins in my pocket they get stuck… Feel free use, tweak, or as a starting point for new ideas…
"Imagination is more important than knowledge."
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2389 Posts
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While you're not actually palming, I don't think it's a good idea to even mention the idea of it.
Once someone has an idea of how you've done something (maybe not this effect, but some other one that DOES use palming), there's no magic, no astonishment. Wrong or right, they have an answer for what happened. From Michael Close: "Magic is a theatrical event of astonishment for which there is no (seemingly) logical explanation and no rationalized explanation satisfies." Quote:
On Oct 26, 2023, imgic wrote: |
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MarcelR Loyal user Cologne, Germany 216 Posts
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Do you know "Colorblind" from Rick? It's a c/s routine, but I could imagine the premise about perception and deception for hopping halves as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R-_qf4X4Ns |
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imgic Inner circle Moved back to Midwest to see 1366 Posts
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I’ve had the “exposure” discussion with other magicians regarding my routine. But hiding something in one’s hand is pretty common perception among lay people, even if they do not know the word palming. And since I do not actually do any palming in the routine, it’s not truly exposed. And there’s no true knowledge passed ot spectator as I do some palming a bit later in my set and they never catch it.
And in the end I get much better reactions than I have using the old “challenge” patter. So it works for me…your mileage may vary…
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inigmntoya Inner circle DC area native, now in Atlanta 2389 Posts
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On Oct 27, 2023, imgic wrote: My point was not about exposure or any "true knowledge". It's about giving spectators something that they can directly rationalize into a "solution". |
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imgic Inner circle Moved back to Midwest to see 1366 Posts
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[quote]On Oct 26, 2023, inigmntoya wrote:
From Michael Close: "Magic is a theatrical event of astonishment for which there is no (seemingly) logical explanation and no rationalized explanation satisfies." [quote] The irony is that Michael Close is consulting on "Fool Us" where Penn & Teller have performed such things as Cups & Balls (with clear plastic cups) and Box Stage Illusion (with clear plexiglass boxes). Both performances invoke sense of astonishment...
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GJo Veteran user 314 Posts
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On Nov 6, 2023, imgic wrote: I'm not sure I understand your point about irony here, but Penn & Teller definitely amplify Close's statement "no (seemingly) logical explanation...no rationalized explanation satisfies" by achieving the expected finale of each effect despite "explaining" how they are done, while using transparent props, and still fooling the audience. |
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imgic Inner circle Moved back to Midwest to see 1366 Posts
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On Nov 6, 2023, GJo wrote: Which is exactly what I'm doing with my Hopping Half routine...achieving an unexplainable finale despite "explaining" how it's done. But such routines to not amplify Close's statement...they contradict it. Hence the irony.
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