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warren
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Hi everyone,
I'm new to the forum so forgive me if this question has been asked before but here goes.
which do you prefer copper/silver transpo or copper/silver/brass transpo.
I have been considering getting the copper/silver/brass recently but ended up ordering a charming chinese challenge instead as I already have an in the hands three phase copper/silver routine using the copper/silver gimmicked coin.
I think the plus side of the copper/silver routine is that I can perform the last phase in the spectator's hand and it's probably easier to follow as only two coins are used.

Would you agree or do you think the copper/silver/brass is stronger for lay people and if so what are your reasons?
Thanks in advance for any replies.

Warren
Jonathan Townsend
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The two tricks are different.

Ordinarily, the two coin transpostion is done once, with a coin in a volunteer's hand. VERY strong trick.

The other trick is more 'clever' and for that reason, some magicians like the trick. There are a FEW clever routines for the c/s/b gaff that have presentation and motivation. Not many though.
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James Harrison
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C/S Coin is more of a utility coin, rather than a magic trick.


Where as C/S/B is an almost impossible transpo of two coins for one. I've only seen Doc Eason's routine for this gimmick, and it has made me buy it.
Mike Wild
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I'm big on CSB type routines. Jonathan makes a strong point about the limited number of routines out there that have presentation appeal and motivation, so be careful that you don't fall into the "here are three coins, now one's over here, now it's back, now these two have vanished, etc, etc, etc, trap. Coins transposing without a reason or a premise gets rather old, rather quickly.

C/S routines are a bit different. There are numerous potential types of routines for that. Appearances, vanishes, changes, physical transpositions, etc. There is also a strong basis for spectator interaction and involvement, not that you can't involve spectators in CSB routines, it just takes a bit more thought and effort to do so.

I've mentioned in previous posts that sometimes the only gaff I take to work at night is the Johnson CSB set. I have not however, mentioned that I have gone entire evenings using nothing but 2 C/S's, 2 half-dollars, & 2 English pennies. While it's questionable at best to show up for a gig with a severly limited arsenal such as that, it does speak to the diversity of the C/S gaff, and the number of effects that are possible when employing it intelligently and thoughtfully.

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Larry Davidson
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I don't think that one is inherently better than the other.

I've performed some coin transposition routines using a CSB and others using a C/S, and it's one of my C/S routines that gets the strongest reaction, but that's because of the particular routine, not because of the prop. I'd think the same would hold true for everyone.

Larry D.
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When you first study a C/S coin it doesn't look that impressive. When you study some of the great effects that use it, it really brings the coin to life.

Check out Geoff Latta's CopSilBrass routine in Kaufman's CoinMagic book.

That book is great. You can usually find a paperback version on ebay for not too much money.

The hardback is much more expensive.
It's a great book.
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One routine that has a great presentation, really clarifies the transpositions (so spectators don't get lost) and has impossible visual moments is Jim Lewis's "Foreign Exchange," taught on his Million Dollar Mysteries video.

The routine doesn't use the pockets, doesn't expose extra coins (like the Doc Eason routine), and involves the spectators. It uses a coin purse, so it's very handy to carry the coins with you and do the routine (no pocket management required).

The routine looks absolutely baffling and impossible -- just another of Jim Lewis's great inventions.

Cheers,
Jerry
warren
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I also have the million dollar mysteries tape and agree it's a first class tape and a first rate c/s/b routine however it does require a table and nothing is actually done in the spectator's hand's unless you count examining the coin's and purse,i suppose the more routine's I see performed with this gimmick the more educated I'll become but for now I still prefer the old faithfull c/s coin.

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While I personally have used both and I agree with Mr. Larry Davidson that both tricks are inherently differnet and can be used at different tiems during different sets, I think that the standard cooper/silver using a basic Bobo switch has more impact since it is done in the spectator's hands and transition from other coin routines, such as coins thru table, to this routine is easy and logical. I would highly recommend seeing Mr. Johnny Thompson's DVDs expecailly how he flows smoothly from one coin routine into another ,including the cooper/silver.
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So there's work to do to fit the CSB-MO without a table, with some spectator's hands involvement.
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