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jsmagus
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Hey, Guys. I don't know exactly where to post this, but I need some help. I have an intense fear of working with IT, but a new effect that I purchesed calls for it, and I just HAVE to do this effect.

In an attempt to set myself at ease with IT, I decided to purchase Kevlar IT, in the hopes that I wouldn't be as afraid of it breaking thus slightly calming my nerves. Unfortunately, I cannot even make the hookup without the strand breaking!

My questions, then, are:
1.) Does this stuff vary in quality from company to company, and I just got the wrong IT? or
2.) Is all Kevlar like this? Should I attemt to use more than one strand? or should I just pitch it in a drawer and stick with wooly nylon?

Any help you can give will be appreciated. Thanks.

Jesse
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Kevlar isn't a generic term, but a product name, so technically if it's "Kevlar" it's from the same manufacturer.

Kevlar is a strange compound. It has an awesome linear pull(tensile)strength, but is very fragile when bent or tied. I'm familiar with Kevlar in kite flying, and we have to be very careful to "sleeve" the line before tying knots to prevent kinking and instant breaking. I've also used it in fiber optic cables where it's added as a filler to give additional pull strength, but again it cannot be knotted without breaking.

I haven't tried Kevlar IT, but keeping this in mind, try your best not to kink or bend it. If you're using some sort of wax ball, roll it gently to keep it from breaking. Tape tabs might be easier but again, be very careful to handle it in gradual bends, not sharp turns. Of course, any attempt to actually "tie" the stuff will result in instant frustration.

Hope this helps,
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I have the kevlar IT and its great. it work real well and better than any other ITR. its very strong hard to break or bend.
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Thanks for the great info Dave! I WAS trying to tie it to make the hookup. Maybe I can do it another way. Thanks Again!
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Just a side note about Kevlar IT. The bending problem keeps it from working for spinning card effect (Hummer Card). The Kevlar twists on itself and breaks very easily.
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Check out http://www.kevlar.com
Kevlar is a fibre invented by DuPont
Thanks to 2 scientist we have something stronger than steel!
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Check out http://www.uniproducts.com/ as well
they have some real good stuff there, 20 deniers??
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I always thought Kevlar was like a material name...

Like "Cotton" or "Silk"...
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Well, now I know why my thread breaks at the wax ball! Thanks. I love my reel. My floating dollar is a lot better now, I can make the thing fly through my linking rings (not while they are linking though)
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What effect is it? Perhaps you might want to use regular IT and try to come up with "outs" when/if the thread breaks.

It takes lots of practice to be comfortable and natural with thread.
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I've seen videos where IT is transparent, others where they use black, others tell me there is white. What do you suggest as best IT? To me (but I could be wrong) elastic and transparent in theory should be the best one. Where can I get it?
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Be aware of the lighting when using Kevlar, it tends to shine more than other ITs.
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Kevlar is a brand name for a type of material, technically a long fiber aramid. Nylon used to be a brand name for what is generically now known as Nylon. The same thing happened to Aspirin which used to be a brand name.

Kevlar is one of the strongest materials while in tension. It is also extremely low stretch. On the downside it doesn't knot well (can't take bends without breaking) and is highly abrasive, i.e., it tends to cut through itself.

It is very tough stuff when used as IT. It probably pays to just a bunch of wooly nylon and strip out a few multiple strand pieces and practice with it until you get a feel for the breaking strength. Then go to a single strand. When you then try the Kevlar it then be really easy to work with. I suggest getting the wooly nylon since it is so cheap you don't have to worry about breaking it. I think this is the best way to get used to working with IT. I'm doing this with elastic IT. After quickly going though a package of loops I decided that I couldn't afford to do this any longer, but love the things you can do with IT.
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Kevlar is stronger than steel POUND FOR POUND. In other words, it takes a whole lot of IT to equal a pound of steel.

Jesse, get some regular IT to compare with your Kevlar. I bought a Kevlar reel a few years ago, and now based on my experience with Kevlar, I'm pretty sure the reel was just regular IT. The Kevlar does appear to be much stronger than the regular stuff, but it doesn't work on the Hummer Card - and now I know why.

Jim
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"IT" takes a lot of handling just to get used to the feel and strength of the material. When I first started using the stuff I fould it helpful to use regular silk thread just to get an idea of what my hands needed to be doing at any given moment. This won't help you get the feel of the IT, but it will get you used to the motions you need to make during the effect. Hope this helps!
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On 2007-01-11 16:52, gaddy wrote:
"IT" takes a lot of handling just to get used to the feel and strength of the material. When I first started using the stuff I fould it helpful to use regular silk thread just to get an idea of what my hands needed to be doing at any given moment. This won't help you get the feel of the IT, but it will get you used to the motions you need to make during the effect. Hope this helps!

The same is true of the elastic IT loops, it's helpful to practice with ordinary rubber bands to get the motions down, and a lot less expensive
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On 2007-01-07 21:03, DStachowiak wrote:
Be aware of the lighting when using Kevlar, it tends to shine more than other ITs.


This is something to take seriously and I'm glad it was mentioned. One small "shine" can give it all away. Indirect lighting and a "loud" background has worked very well for me.

Neil
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