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I also have used Pinnacle as well as Adobe Premeire to do a lot of DVD and video editing. Pinnacle is a bit easier to learn and I would start with that one first.

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Pinacle Studio 8 is a fine program and offers a very easy learning curve. I use it once in a while to add fancy transition as it's Hollywood effects is very user friendly and the user interface is simple to understand. I also like the fact that it has a DVD authoring system built into the software as opposed to having to spend several hundred dollars extra to buy the Abode Encore. It will also produce VCD's.

That said, I wanted to use the industry standard because I live on a cruiseship, have plenty of extra time and love to learn...about anything!

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Shawn,

I do mainly print design work but I have used Pinnacle for a while now and I like the ease of use and the user friendly interface. As you said, the built in DVD editing suite is really a nice added feature and makes things quite easy for the novice to build a DVD themselves.

If first starting out, I would certainly look into Pinnacle first and learn it before venturing into Adobe Priemere and after effects etc.

Industry standard is certainly the way to go if you have the time to devote to learning it. I have years and years of experience with the industry standards in graphics programs such as Photoshop, Illustrator, Quark Express and others. Thoise are my bread and butter programs I use day in and day out.

As you said, I am always looking to learn new things and expand myt horizons. I am learning Dreamweaver and trying to get more advanced with it. It is one of those programs that you forget stuff if you do not use it every day.

Do you also design all your own print materials as well?

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Hi Kyle,

I too design my own print material and design all web content. As a youth I worked on AB Dick 40's and metal plates and as time progressed so did I. I currently use Photoshop but am fairly good at Corel Draw, although a friend of mine who worked as a graphic designer showed me I have a lot to learn!

I spent last year learning Dreamweaver with a friend but prefer just to use html and a note pad. Lately I have been experimenting with Image Ready and image maping and getting good results.

I don't have a whole bunch of print material as I have had the same contract on a cruise ship for the four years with no end in sight and the few gigs I do off the ship are all from seeing me perform in the past.

Shawn

Oh thanks Michael for the kind words in your post...
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Shawn,

It seems like we both have a lot in common both in our passions for magic as well as learning and the areas of art, design and marketing. I would love to have the chance to chat with you or simply e-mail you at some point and just talk about all of this stuff. I might even be able to help you or give you some tips as you continue to learn and progress with the programs.

I would reccomend picking up and learning Illustrator. I think it is so far better then Corel Draw and I find mit is more of an industry standard these days.

I also use image ready and that is a great program for web optimization and it now comes bundled with Photoshop. It makes slicing and and image mapping easy as well as the instant creation of roll over button effects.

Getting back to the main topic of the thread, I sell quite a bit of BOR items at my shows. BUT the main stuff I always make sure I get out there is my promotional materials. These do not always have to be business cards and brochures.

What I mean is you can still advertise and get your stuff out there but have fun doing so. If you work festivals or the family syle market like I do, you realize that your best advertising vehicle are the kids themselves.

If the kids love your show they will talk about it to everyone including mom and dad. SO, I make sure I arm each kid with stuff they WANT to have and WANT to show to people. What are some of these ideas:

- Coloring flyers
- Magicians assistant certificates
- my magic postcard trading cards
- my 8 by 10 photo pic that is autographed to them
- my small booklet of optical illusions they can try at home
etc. etc.

The best part is I make this avialable free to every single kid who wants them. To me they gobble them up and each one has my marketing and contact information all over them. So in a sense each kid becomes a walking advertisement for my services and the cost for me is very little.

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Rhode Island Novelty Co. has fortune teller fish, finger traps and spider rings at a great price. If you compare to Oriental Trading and I think you'll find RINCO has cheaper perices.

BTW D.Robins now has a $200 minimum order.
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If you are looking for Magic kits to sell with your name and contact info on them, try http://www.fivedollarmagickit.com
Also, Someone asked for contact info for Eddy Wade
email is wademagic@aol.com
I don't think he has a website. He offers several things for magicians for BOR and marketing. Ask for a catalog to be mailed to you.
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What about the possible issue of having a vendor's license?

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For performances at private facilities, a vendor license is probably not an issue.
On public property, (fairs, festivals, etc.) I would include it as a clause in the contract. This should serve to hand a good deal of the responsibility for knowing local ordinances over to the event sponsor.
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I always list my vendoring and sales as a part of my festival contract that is sent and signed by the festival chair. It works well and I have had no problems doing it this way.

Alaos make sure if your working festivals or fairs to carry liablity insurance.

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Anything wrong with DVD-R?
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Yeah, they don't play on all DVD players.

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I was thinking if you're looking for something to sell after shows, how about "pitching" Svengali decks to them? Might be kind of fun, just say "how about I show you a little magic that you can do youreslf" etc,etc. Then give them a little pitch and sell them the deck. You can learn the pitch and where to get all the stuff including the decks from Don Drivers Pitch Video. Might as well learn from the best. He also included the magic fuzzle pitch on there, and kids love those wacky little worms!!

You can get the tape at his website; http://www.dondriver.tk/

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I was searching for items that could be pitched at a circus we produce. Not the usual stuff and fluff which goes without saying. And these are 2 threads;

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=111

I was impresed on checkig out Paul Rohmany's http://www.masterclass.com


http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=44
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If you are looking to sell stuff after shows, the main factors to consider are price point, profit, and convenience.

Your price point needs to be appropriate for the audience. For example, on a cruise ship people might be willing to pay $20 on stuff. At a fair or festival $5-$10 might be more reasonable.

Once you have determined the price point, you want to find a product that has maximum profit yet also meets a perceived value of the price point. So, a DVD for $20 or a magic book for $5.

Finally, it needs to be convenient for you. Personally, I don't want to spend hours and hours searching through dollar stores. I don't want to have my basement filled with boxes of junk and I don't want to spend more hours putting together the magic kits. I respect Ken Scott's opinion, but shrink wrapping each box would only add more time that I'm not willing to spend. Remember time is money. At festivals and cub scout banquests, I sell 40-50 magic books per show. It would take forever to make-up that many kits. And if I paid someone else to do it that would eat into my profts.

Also, I like having a product that is easy to store and transport. Magic kits are big and bulky, but a box of books or DVDs thrown in the back of the car take up no room at all!

So I definitely think either a customized magic book (available from http://www.magicsells.com ) or a dvd (available from http://www.magicmasterclass.com )is the way to go. You just need to know how much your audience would be willing to spend and decide on your price point and choose whether to sell $5 magic books or $20 DVDs.

Hope this helps.

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James
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Well said James.
you can produce a DVD for as little as fifty cents if you know where to shop and print it yourself on your computer, if you get it done professionally you can get it done for as little as $1.10 per unit (including printing, cover and burning a dvd). So you can sell a DVD for anywhere between $5-30, it all depends on what profit you want to make. I sell my DVDs on cruise ships for $20.00 and my website for $30.00. I have some great resources for those wishing to look at burning DVDs on my website
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I have found nice professionally bound (perfect bound) magic books, with my name as author and my picture on the back are great BOR items. Cost me less then $3.50 each and sell for $10 Instant credibility too!

I can have them printed and delivered in less than 10 days.
If you are interested in becoming an INSTANT AUTHOR and having books with your name and picture, drop me a line. OR go to http://www.bor.bigbig.com
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Hi Dennis,

The link you provide for the BOR books you "found", takes us to YOUR sales page for your product (which is perfectly fine by me, by the way... more “money power” to ya' bro!) BUT can we SEE what this "perfect bound" instant author book looks like or what's in it etc... details man, details!

MORE INSIGHT and Accurate Information is requested. Hey, I’m only asking cuz you brought it up and we wanna know more! I have a place also that I can get “book store quality books” printed too in small quantities, (Like ONE – Hehehehe!) and I would like to get YOUR information to be able to compare. Maybe YOUR BOOK is better?

I'm NOT asking for your "Top Secret" money making recourse directly, we just want MORE INFORMATION on the books you offer.

Thanks (for all of us here.)

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