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Indeed the Osbourne book is one of the best shell game books...
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Yep... hard to beat!
Exept maybe if the S4S come up with a note...
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I would love to see a comprehensive DVD on the Three Shell Game. Not only different handlings, but routines, history and the psychology of it. I can't wait for the S4S DVD to come out. I just ordered the shells, and I am itching to get at it.
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The S4S team WILL come up with such material... just have to be patient and we might have a present for new years? or later... just keep waiting I guess...
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We are working on it. It has been six years of research and writing so far. Hopefully, it will be ready early next year. It will be every bit as deep as the Notes and DVD on Three-Card Monte--another project that took about six years to complete.
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The fact that your making sure it is complete says alot.....it's not about the quick buck, but for the love of the art.

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Bonneteau;

I'm sure you allready know the stuff but there anyway...

Played illegally in the working-class streets of Paris, "bonneteau" is a game played for money which consists, for the "bonneteur", a very skilful master of ceremonies, in moving the red spot at high speed in order to trick the players who bet on it. In this piece, the action takes place on a financial page from "Le Figaro", the famous salmon-pink pages, and does not deny the spectator's look. On the contrary it includes it in the very strategy of form, that is to say in the game of its formation and its presentation. The experience of the look combines two complementary moments here, dialectically linked : on the one hand "to see appearing that which conceals" and on the other hand "to see while losing".

CHECK OUT this iconographie... originally played with cups and ball
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On 2004-10-21 07:56, k wrote:
Bonneteau;

Played illegally in the working-class streets of Paris, "bonneteau" is a game played for money which consists, for the "bonneteur", a very skilful master of ceremonies, in moving the red spot at high speed in order to trick the players who bet on it. In this piece, the action takes place on a financial page from "Le Figaro", the famous salmon-pink pages, and does not deny the spectator's look. On the contrary it includes it in the very strategy of form, that is to say in the game of its formation and its presentation. The experience of the look combines two complementary moments here, dialectically linked : on the one hand "to see appearing that which conceals" and on the other hand "to see while losing".



Where is this quote from, and what is the illustration that is being discussed? The illustration given of the cups and balls is not the one being discussed here.

In my book on three-card monte, there is a very interesting discussion of the archaic French terms "bonneteur" and "bonneteau" and their meanings and derivation.

Ron Wohl and I have discussed this at length, and we both see a historical relation between these terms and the British slang "Bonnet" which is used for a shill.

The original word "bonneteau" refers to a man's billed cap.

A "Bonneteur" was originally a unctuous courtier, and the term was a gibe at the insincerity of one who is overly friendly, or "tips his hat too readily to strangers."

This later began to be applied to the ropers and shills in a con game for obvious reasons.

A game of bonneteau originally applied to several different kinds of con games, but now is almost exclusively used to refer to three-card monte.
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Mr Hayden, it looks to me like the quote you asked about "Played illegally in the working-class streets of Paris" etc. Is translated from the description on this website. There are also pictues of the game as described above.

http://www.franckscurti.net/oeu20.html

Hope you speak french...

You can go to http://www.franckscurti.net and view the site in english.
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Thanks, Vandy. The game being shown is a variation of Hungarian Monte, or Trinidad Monte.
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Actually I've seen the Hungarian monte played near the Sacre Coeur in Paris - they had a terrific little psychological wrinkle which I'd be happy to share with Whit if he ever produces his monte book in HC. This was about 8 years ago...

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Thanks, Vandy. The game being shown is a variation of Hungarian Monte, or Trinidad Monte.


Yes that's what I thought, not that I knew it by those names, but it looked like a game that someone once described being played with bar coasters. that's what it seems like to me. Those pieces look like coasters or chips of some kind.
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Black rubber discs.
Whenever I find myself gripping anything too tightly I just ask myself "How would Guy Hollingworth hold this?"

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On 2004-10-21 12:14, Andrew Wimhurst wrote:
Black rubber discs.


Thanks, I'd like to see it done. When you saw them doing in France was it being done as a demo or as a con on the streets? Also, looks from your picture that you like to play a little harp. Myself.
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Thanks for the info Whit! sorry by the lack of info (thanks Vandy)
I guess this trinidad monte could be possible with coins... I think there's a topic in bobo's book for switching the disc...
The moves are the same as in Three card monte. and it's even more deceiptive with 1/2 $...
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Though I know NOTHING about how the Three Shell Game works, I DO know that Jon is right about the practicing endlessly, it doesN'T ALWAYS work.

My dad is a Pool (billiards) player. Every now and then he will go to a pool room, and realize that he is playing badly. He spends about a half hour trying to fix the problem. If he can't solve it, he goes home. Why not practice more? Well he doesn't want the thing that he is doing wrong, to get impinted in his memory, he'd rather start again later.

If you are just practicing a load a million times, and watching TV, and not paying any attention to what you are doing, you could, accidentally, creat bad habbits. Every now and then you should look at you actions, and make sure everything is going smoothly, then go back to the TV, or, this board. lol.

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