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jecar Veteran user 358 Posts |
I must admit that I've been called a "Lock Nut" but I have not seen this one advertised. It appears that it is NOT a gimmicked lock and that a switch is involved, since the same effect can be made on door lock, etc.
If you find out anything else about it, please keep us posted. The Lock Nut .. |
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Thoughtreader Inner circle Calgary, Alberta, Canada 1565 Posts |
One of the greatest ungimmicked lock effects of that sort is found in "Stunners" and was devised by Lee Earle and Larry Becker. Well worth studying.
PSIncerely Yours, Paul Alberstat http://www.stores.ebay.ca/abstagecraft |
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Sir T Special user 535 Posts |
Am I missing something here, but doesn't this sound like a rework of Max's key to the future?
I will have to relook at it. Kevin |
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Dave V Inner circle Las Vegas, NV 4824 Posts |
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On 2002-08-04 22:08, Sir T wrote: Or...is Key to future a rework of something even older? The "Seven Keys" concept has been around for many years. I guess we won't know for sure unless someone buys each of them and learns the differences (or similarities) for himself. I'm still of the opinion that the one being offered is a gimmicked lock. As they imply, the gimmicking "principle" can probably be applied to any lock (by someone adept at these things) I've rekeyed my own house locks before. It's not that difficult to get inside them to do the "dirty work" if that's what it takes. :devilish: David
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Vision Veteran user London 395 Posts |
I'd guess it's most likely a gimmicked lock. Though one other thing struck me, they talk about five keys all through the description, while six keys are displayed on the picture. Keyswitch?
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Devils Advocaat Loyal user London 248 Posts |
...'locks' like none of us are any the wiser!
Jecar says...'It appears that it is NOT a gimmicked lock and that a switch is involved, since the same effect can be made on door lock, etc.' A physical switch or a light switch? sorry, sleight switch? Frank.
"My Karma ran over my Dogma..."
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jecar Veteran user 358 Posts |
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On 2002-08-05 03:09, Vision wrote: "Keyswitch?" Yep...and not a gimmicked lock, at least, that's my guess..and only a guess. In my opinion, this would be the only way the claim that you can do the same thing with any door lock, would be feasible. Of course, I've been fooled many times. ;-)) Whether it's good, or not, is another question. *IF* it involves a switch....and if the method of switching is a good one, I'd think the trick would be a good one too....just as some other non-gimmicked lock effects are. Paul Alberstat pointed to 'Stunners' for a good non-gimmicked lock trick. Mark Strivings has published a good one, along with Richard Mark. And Barrie Richardson has a good one in his book 'Theater of the Mind', in which he tells who the premise of this trick originated from. The part of the description that leads me to believe that it is a switch, is the part that says you can do it on a business door. Not many businesses are gonna sit by and let someone gimmick their door locks and it would take a locksmith to do it anyway, not a purchaser of a magic trick. Jerry .. |
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Sir T Special user 535 Posts |
I had a few minutes today and rewatched Keys to the future. I stand corrected, as it reads;
Key to the Future: A variation on the classic "Seven Keys to Baldpate", this effect uses an ungimmicked padlock and several keys, only one of which will open the padlock. The spectators psychic abilities are tested as she is challenged to intuitively pick the correct key. Whether she succeeds or not, the performer proves he knew the outcome in advance! Hope that is of some help on this topic. Kevin |
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luvtinayothers New user North Hollywood 8 Posts |
Right after the text mentioning that the
"Paramount Principle" can work on any lock is this fine print: (Please note the item for auction is the Paramount Lock - Padlock Version. Email for details on other versions available.) |
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pwagorn New user 43 Posts |
my guess is that you actually need ALL 5 keys to open the lock. ie insert each key, turn - when ALL 5 keys have been turned, it opens, therefore ONLY the 5th key will actually open the lock.
the 6th key is a key that opens it all by itself, for convenience sake. Pretty simple in principle.... |
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Devils Advocaat Loyal user London 248 Posts |
Only one problem with the above... a 'wrong' key will NOT *turn*, that's the point of the lock...this only happens in the 'Ye Olde English' type padlock which does not snap shut. I too thought about gimmicked keys, something on the line of shells, maybe.
Frank.
"My Karma ran over my Dogma..."
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Andy Leviss Inner circle NYC 1179 Posts |
Has anybody actually seen the Paramount lock firsthand? Or, to rephrase, can anybody actually give us real fact on this instead of mere speculation?
Note: I have PMs turned off; if you want to reach me, please e-mail [email]Andy.MagicCafe@DucksEcho.com[/email]!
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Devils Advocaat Loyal user London 248 Posts |
More to the point Andy, does this thing actually exist? Seems like no-one has got one, seen one or used one! Search the dealers...nothing. Maybe it's a one-off!
Frank.
"My Karma ran over my Dogma..."
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WR Special user Utah 945 Posts |
According to Pratical mental magic any lock can be used. In the book two locks are used I only use one.
Most magically yours, WR
"Tell Em WR sent Ya."
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Michael Peterson Inner circle is where I'm trapped, because of my 4071 Posts |
I have a feeling it's a method, not the lock( a very simple one at that). On that note, I would highly recommend Mark Strivings & keys to Baldpate routine.
You can contact Mark at- MarkyApril@aol.com |
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Paul Inner circle A good lecturer at your service! 4409 Posts |
Basically, who really cares, its just a 7 key routine, and the suggested routine locking a bill in between plastic sheets has been around a while and is not a particularly good presentation.
I doubt very much it is Max's Keys To The Future from that description, though that routine could use any lock. I had a variation on that which appeared with Max's permission in my book "TOTAT Rides Again" several years back, which included a suggestion whereby you could get the booker to provide their own lock and keys. Another version of mine without keys used a combination padlock and appeared in my book "Mental Mix". The basic effect of course originated with Kolar. There are several good marketed versions,and some good unmarketed ones. The one described here didn't particularly excite me, but it's whatever floats your boat. There was a thread on Seven Keys before Frank, may be worh doing a search. Paul. |
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WR Special user Utah 945 Posts |
Ich.,
Thats the one I do it is off a tape called Annemann ....Something. Most magicall yours, WR
"Tell Em WR sent Ya."
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Lee Marelli Special user Aurora, Colorado 876 Posts |
Paul, you are right on the earlier thread. I know because I was the topic's author.
I strongly believe you are also right on the "who cares" concept. There are many excellent "7 Keys" effects available, using gimmicked and ungimmicked locks, without spending time finding and paying exhorburant prices for the "latest and greatest (at least according to the seller of the effect). There have been some excellent suggestions for "7 Keys" effects in this thread.
"Mentalism is a state of mind." Marelli
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jecar Veteran user 358 Posts |
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On 2002-08-07 17:32, Lee Marelli wrote: Here's another good one....Ed Fowler's 'When You Wake Up Tonight'. Contact Ed at: carlyle@infi.net Jerry Cargile .. |
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DavyBoy New user Dorset UK 71 Posts |
It's fairly easy to make your own version of this rather than buying any specialist props.
See 'Max Maven's Videomind' tapes for a perfomance of the Baldplate trick. I think it's on the Close up mentalism volume. DavyBoy. |
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