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Bande Elite user 473 Posts 
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I don't think the issue is whether non paper bills could be on the outside. The question is whether that is what people expect to see when you show them your wallet. The point IMHO is to not call attention to the wallet in the first place and if it looks odd then it is not the best thing to use. So, sure it might work to have money on the outside of the wallet in the real world, but the fact that everyone on this thread is calling attention to the oddness of it makes the gimmick less useful in my opinion.
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PatrickGregoire Inner circle 3000 Posts
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"Everyone" who have called it odd is actually only 3 people. And one of them admitted he's not into the design because it's not common where they are from. It's very common here in Canada, and I assume in the States as well, and probably in many other countries too. And personally, I think it should be common everywhere because it's a more practical and slim design for a wallet.
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LondonN8 Regular user North London 131 Posts
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Good Idia Should be £34.99 Also in the U.K., it's not normal for a money clip on a credit card holder style. Method easy think of the word Slide with Money, without money using money as you pass them or show them the bet. If you can read their mind then get a peek
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DanielChard Loyal user Bristol, United Kingdom 208 Posts
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On Oct 17, 2024, LondonN8 wrote: I’m from the UK, and my wallet is like the ridge style wallet, RFID metal credit card holder with a money clip. And a lot of people I perform for. Seem to have them as well, not everyone. But they are certainly around.
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benbv Inner circle London 2585 Posts
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On Oct 16, 2024, PatrickGregoire wrote: Wasn’t going to say anything on this point but I actually also think it’s not an usual design in the UK/Europe… at least I’ve never seen one like that, neither in shops nor carried by people… feels more like a North American style from what I’ve seen (a few effects from American magicians seem to be using this). That being said would people in Europe/in the UK think the wallet looks weird if you used it? Can’t be sure obviously but I’d tend to say they probably wouldn’t notice if your presentation takes the heat off it? |
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dyoung Special user 939 Posts
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One gets the impression that magicians are studying everyone's wallets all the time
 As someone who has worked in retail for all his life, thus seeing a lot of wallets in front of me, I can assure you, you absolutely see people with this style wallet (in the UK).
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Jared_(3).jpg "View Profile") Inner circle Rhode Island, USA 1811 Posts
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Merc Man's rant is actually spot on. Anyone who considers themselves a mentalist should learn the basics to gather information and not be reliant on a wallet especially for a single name reveal (I would never use a peek wallet for that). Although, I would argue that the value of a peek wallet is for multiple phase routines, where you're instruct your spectator to perform another action (i.e. "Look up this word...or draw something etc.). In such cases, it would seem to make sense to place his card somewhere since they will need to use their hands. A good example is Peter Nardi's demo of the Assassin Wallet that he recently posted where he combines a name reveal with visa cabaret. Anyway, I re-watched the demo and am convinced that this is a gravity peek, but the action does look to be more natural than some of the versions I've seen in the past.
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influentialist Special user 580 Posts
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What makes you think that people who use a peek wallet don't know the basics of gathering information?
A wallet, and indeed a peek, is just a tool and it's good to have a set that let's you select the best tool for a particular job. I can think of a dozen motivations for using a wallet, a dozen for using a stack of business cards and another dozen for never writing anything down. It would be foolish to constrain myself to just one, and equally as just as foolish to try and learn 300 different ones. Knowing a few methods well seems to be the happy medium and, for me, someone who always carries a wallet for my credit cards a few notes and a business card or two, it makes perfect sense that it's sometimes used that way. |
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PatrickGregoire Inner circle 3000 Posts
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On Oct 17, 2024, Jared wrote: WHY? |
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Jared Inner circle Rhode Island, USA 1811 Posts
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I don't want to get into listing all of the specific reasons why learning the basic fundamentals of a particular craft is generally considered to be a good practice. But why would you be opposed to wanting to learn more? Wouldn't that be like a musician who refuses to learn how to play certain chords? I don't know... maybe we just have to agree to disagree on this one. But from my own "personal" experience, learning various ways to obtain information has been hugely beneficial because then I can pick and choose the best technique for the task is at hand. BTW- Influentialist, that was Merc Man's quote not mine (I forgot to attach it as a quote).
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PatrickGregoire Inner circle 3000 Posts
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On Oct 17, 2024, Jared wrote: I wasn't asking you why someone should learn the basics... I was asking, and in all caps because I've already asked MercMan as well but haven't received an answer yet, why you believe using a peek wallet is a bad thing for a name reveal. Also just because I asked the question doesn't mean I disagree with you. I'm just very curious to hear why you believe using a peek wallet to reveal a name is the wrong approach. |
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Jared Inner circle Rhode Island, USA 1811 Posts
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I'll send you a PM Patrick
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Merc Man Inner circle NUNEATON, Warwickshire 2767 Posts
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On Oct 17, 2024, PatrickGregoire wrote: Apologies for the 'inordinate delay' in replying to you. I might be semi-retired - but rest assured, I have much better things to do with my time than spend all day on a computer or magic forums. A gimmicked wallet, in my honest opinion, just isn't required to gain a peek. It's a sledge hammer approach to crack a nut. It puts the heat onto the prop. This, as stated, plays through a spectator's mind. I truly have heard, on numerous occasions over the years, spectators say "it's something to do with that wallet". What would you do exactly, if someone challenged you by saying "can you please show that again to my friend - but don't put it in your wallet"? With a peek, whether via a Centre Tear or some other method, the heat is off. You have justification for holding/touching the billet in order to pick up a 'psychic vibe' - as a Spiritualist may hold a ring, a watch, etc. during a psychometry reading. However, it is then placed back into their hand, for safekeeping. All that you have apparently done, is briefly touch the billet. People seriously interested in Mentalism, should check out the work of Richard Osterlind (Perfected Centre Tear); Lewis Le Val's absolutely brilliant OTT; Alexander Marsh - Billet Masterclass; or Chris Rawlins - Echo. All of these rely upon simply a small paper pad or blank business cards for the billet - and a Sharpie (or pencil/biro). In my honest opinion, true Mentalism is about being as 'propless' as possible - hence the reason, I dislike peek wallets. As for the other question about keeping currency outside of a wallet, in an external clip. It just doesn't appear logical - to my mind anyway.
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PatrickGregoire Inner circle 3000 Posts
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On Oct 17, 2024, Merc Man wrote: I never demanded an answer, I asked politely to hear your thoughts if you were willing. I mentioned to Jared that I hadn't heard from you yet - that had nothing to do with impatience, it was just relevant. I also never mentioned that the waiting was 'inordinate'. There's zero hostility coming from here, I was just curious to hear your thoughts. I appreciate you taking the time to respond. |
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Merc Man Inner circle NUNEATON, Warwickshire 2767 Posts
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No worries.
It was just my usual sarcasm.
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Stunninger Inner circle 3114 Posts
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The Greek Peek Wallet. When I first saw the trailer, my immediate reaction was, Opa!
Don't know what it is about peek wallets. Why do we love them so much? They're not necessary. If you learn a few good business card, double blank or index card peeks you certainly don't need one. But many of us can't resist buying them. And we do buy them. Lots of them. There's something cool, clever and fun about a well-made peek wallet. And of course, you can perform some great effects with them. I don't need another peek wallet. But I love everything about The Greek Peek Wallet. I love that it's made of real leather. I love that it's made by Tony Antoniou, who has a stellar reputation for making great quality leather products. I love how it looks. And I really love the trailer, seeing the reactions of the young people on what appears to be a college campus, their faces lighting up. Alex from Monster Magic says on every review show Magic is the best hobby in the world. And it really is. Magic is a wonderful way to meet and interact with people, and give them a few moments of fun and mystery. That's what it's all about, for me anyway. Well done, Tony Antoniou! I didn't need another wallet, but my order is in
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Merc Man Inner circle NUNEATON, Warwickshire 2767 Posts
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Promotional videos are hardly the most convincing medium, are they.
Editing can show just the positive reactions. Less than enthusiastic responses, can be either deleted, or simply omitted. Lest we forget how the performance itself can be engineered, to conveniently omit any potential weak spots - such as angles. But there you go.....some people can oh so easily become brainwashed automatons. It's what the internet does to people these days. 
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Roberto W Inner circle 1555 Posts
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On Oct 18, 2024, Merc Man wrote: Yes, and of course all helps with the sale. If people are also not bothered on the illogical justification of why you have to take the card back to have to put it in the wallet for no reason, that’s fine. Yet the defence argument will always be “yes but he didn’t give a reason he put it back in the wallet, just did it and look at the reactions. You are over thinking things” lol. What we are all seeing are impulse reactions which yeah is and looks cool. Bring the camera back after that’s settled down and it will be a different story. Even though they won’t know exactly know how you got the peek from a gimmick side, what they will all agree on when talking about how you could have guessed the name, is you must have got the peek at some point when you illogically had to take the card back and put it in the wallet. To them (you being perceived and them knowing you are a magician) you are not a genuine mind reader and have simply just performed a magic ‘trick’. They are 100% not believing you actually read their mind, they are trying to work out how you knew it from a trick side. Which anyone just wanting to think otherwise are simply sadly kidding themselves. Just imo by them knowing it had to have something to do with you taking it back and putting it in wallet for no reason (or they could have simply just held onto it), is as good as them knowing exactly how it’s done - will leave them with the same thoughts. Yes peter nardis presentation is nice to help layer and disguise with the help to give some logic, which just feel anyone considering performing any effect using a peek wallet should consider and adapt talking everything into consideration. But fundamentally just think it all comes down to each person and how much they in a way care exactly what their audience think during and after performing effects of this nature. Taking into consideration entertaining and fooling factors. |
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RNK Inner circle 8277 Posts
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I will say this, spectators will not be bothered by what some here are calling the illogical justification of placing a card in a wallet, especially if you have a good presentation. Here is what I can say about a peek wallet, last August at a paid township event I used the Shelby Wallet to divine a thought from a lady. Unbeknownst to me that lady happened to be an owner of an event planning business. She was so impressed that she immediately asked if I would be interested in working with her and that she could keep me busy. Of course I said yes and have received more opportunities and bookings than I can handle being I am a part-time performer.
I honestly don't care if members here disagree, I share because I think people want to know what works and what doesn't. Obviously that all depends on your skill experience, performance experience, personality and chops to a degree. Further, it's ok to disagree and I am only sharing what I have come to understand and experienced over the past 15 years from when I was much less experienced with real world audiences to present day after much more interaction with strangers. I believe Stunninger has been around and performed much longer and many more events than I have and it seems he has no issues using peek wallets. One thing Craig Petty was right about in one of his recent magic tv videos regarding the Magic Cafe was that no one truly knows the extent of someone's experience when they post under an anonymous name without listing any credentials. I guess what I am saying is never dismiss a product because you read a post from a user that you truly don't know anything about. I suggest simply sending an email (or PM here if they still come around here which many professionals don't) to a well known professional, even if the product you have questions about is not his/her release, and ask them your question. I think you will be surprised that many will send a reply to you. A peek wallet works, it works well and will only be as believable as your presentation.
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Roberto W Inner circle 1555 Posts
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Definitely agree with the last statement and the opening statement re having to have a good presentation. Sadly a lot of people don’t take the time and effort into coupling that and incorporating it with the effect - magic and mentalism. I’m assuming you performing ‘mind reading’ to the agent, you were aware and knew that by delivering a good presentation helped the effect be more believable (as you said) which aided her reaction and lasting impression which is good. Which is what we are kinda referring to rather than it be presented as more of a trick.
Just personally I don’t like having to take the card back to put into a wallet unnecessarily (unless the presentation assists why doing it). Maybe it’s because I have also heard feedback from the audience about what really think when chatting about the magician and effects after. But like everything each to their own and what ever works best for people. |
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