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henry1202 New user 13 Posts 
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Hey folks,
Do you put wheels on Sub Trunk, is it save to use Lock wheels? |
The Art of the Impossible New user Europe - Spain 26 Posts
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Hi Henry1202,
Yes you can put wheels on a subtrunk. It's a bit more unstable, use quality wheels that can support several times the weight of the trunk with the two of you on it. Make sure each wheel has a double brake (the wheel cannot roll nor turn on itself) And brake at least 2 of them!!! |
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61magic Special user Sacramento California 783 Posts
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Henry1202 your best bet is to put the trunk on a rolling platform and remove it to perform. Wheels directly on the trunk can lead to some very uncomfortable situations.
Professor J. P. Fawkes
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Slim King Eternal Order Orlando 18677 Posts
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Mine folds flat....
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Alan Munro.jpg "View Profile") Inner circle Kentwood, Michigan, USA 6048 Posts
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Why not use a couple of wheeled platforms from Harbor Freight or another hardware store? Having wheels on it when performing would be a big pain.
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George Ledo Magic Café Columnist SF Bay Area 3281 Posts
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FWIW, wheels on a sub trunk have more to do with what the trunk is than whether it's convenient or not. A theatrical costume trunk or road case would probably have wheels since it's moved around a lot. A packing crate would probably be wheeled around on a dolly of some kind, or just carried on and dropped in place.
This is what adds credibility to the prop: is it in character or not.
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The Art of the Impossible New user Europe - Spain 26 Posts
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On Nov 3, 2024, George Ledo wrote: @George Ledo, you have nailed it, that's exactly the point: Does it make sense to have wheels on your trunk? put them on, but make sure they are quality ones. Doesn't it make sense? don't complicate things and don't put them on. I see comments that it can be "uncomfortable" or "a big pain", come on guys... big illusions are NOT comfortable and sometimes they hurt. All of us who perform "Suspended Animation" or "Shrouded Transition" use wheels, a standard sub trunk is not more difficult or dangerous. Several magicians have wheels on their trunk and it is perfectly possible to do it with them |
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Alan Munro Inner circle Kentwood, Michigan, USA 6048 Posts
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On Nov 5, 2024, The Art of the Impossible wrote: I've yet to see reliable casters with brakes on equipment costing five figures. I've thrown out my back more times than I can count because a piece of equipment unexpectedly "takes off". There are easier ways to do things. |
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The Art of the Impossible New user Europe - Spain 26 Posts
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@Alan Munro Sure, inexplicably some excellent manufacturers cut corners on things like wheel quality. That's why I insist that if you want to put wheels on a trunk, they have to be quality wheels.
It's also important to frequently check the wheels and legs of any prop and make sure that everything is in good condition and firmly attached to minimize accidents. Wheels wear out and deteriorate, and they need to be replaced from time to time. No matter how expensive an illusion is, they all need maintenance. |
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George Ledo Magic Café Columnist SF Bay Area 3281 Posts
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It just amazes me how many performers of magic don't see their props the same way the audiences do. In this case, a sub trunk. Many of them aren't trunks: they're crates that don't even look like crates. But, hey, it's a sub trunk and it doesn't matter what it looks like 'cuz that's how it comes and that's how it is.
It's like the whole concept of context and credibility doesn't come into the equation. And then we lament about audiences not taking magic seriously.
That's our departed buddy Burt, aka The Great Burtini, doing his famous Cups and Mice routine
www.georgefledo.net Latest column: "If I were to do an illusion show" |
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Alan Munro Inner circle Kentwood, Michigan, USA 6048 Posts
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On Nov 8, 2024, George Ledo wrote: I see too many magicians who do effects with blades who don't treat them as if they're sharp. They trivialize the effect. |
Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2628 Posts
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I have a slightly different approach. I usually use a larger caster than required for most pieces as it makes them easier to roll under load. My sub trunk is a little different as my routine is so fast it opens’ t really allow time for locking the casters or restraining so on this one, I chose to “under caster” it. It comes shooting on stage from stage right an we whip it all over the stage showing it inside an out then I immediately jump up onto the side edges of the box before getting handcuffed and going inside. The entire routine is less than 2 minutes. I chose to go with a 2” heavy duty caster which was perfect for the empty crate to move on stage but was a little too small to handle the weight of the crate AND myself. This allows it to stiffen up and remain stable when I get on it and remain that way for the switch and ending. Now keep inj mind I did this for several decades and we both became adept with managing so it was a combination of under cantering the prop AND adapting our movement to work with it. YMMV bit it was a winner for me!
Ray Pierce
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Blair Marshall Inner circle Montreal, Canada 3669 Posts
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I have heard the "smaller caster" use for many illusions to "lock them down". I so often see folks wheel a box on and the assistants get busy "locking it down". Many illusions can get away without them. The same I have heard is to had a 5th caster in the middle of a platform to help with the turning of a prop. Just a couple of thoughts.
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