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Jaime Pirnie
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I've been working on the Muscle Pass for a week or so now and had a question about it..

Since the muscle near the rear of the thumb is the one thats pushing down on it to get it to pop up, has anyone ever tried to strengthen this muscle by doing some kind of exersice? I would think that if you could spend some time buffing this muscle out that it would make it a little easier to get your coin up farther. Who knows, maybe the muscle has nothing to do with it. At any rate, I thought I'd see what you folks thought about my idea.

I can get an english penny or half dollar up about 2-3 inches at this point and just thought if my muscle was stronger, I could go higher.
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The only excercise I can think of to strengthen this muscle is the muscle pass. Smile

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Jaime Pirnie
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Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. The people that I have talked to say that they are able to get it higher and higher over time just by practicing. This is probably due to the muscle getting stronger as they practice like you said.

Thanks..
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It is also due to the callous that is formed on the thumb muscle at the point of the pop.
once I developed the callous, my height increased greatly.. I think it happened one day when I was bound and determined to get the muscle pass down.. I got a blister there and when it healed I fianally increased to about 8 inches from an average of 4..
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jaime practice a couple hours a day u can do it while watching TV or even at yyour job jus have the coin with u wherever u go. i meant to make this question a post but since the muscle pass came up i'll ask it here. A couple of weeks ago i was in a magic shop and i asked the the guy behind the counter what he thought of my muscle pass as i did it for him. he said mine was not bad but that i shouldnt do it because its bad for you and HE even stopped doing it because it can cause authritus(spelling?)in your hand. Smile what do u guys think about that?!!!
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When I went to silver dollars for a while, I noticed pain in my left thumb.

Doc called it Tendonitis, an advised not to use the morgan dollar for the M.P.
( I did not reveal the method, to my doctor )

I have switched back to half dollar and smaller coins and have not experienced the
severe pain any more.

With a half dollar I can get 2 and sometimes
three to jump at the same time.
I think it was a post from Reed that gave me the idea.(Thanks Reed)

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We have two issues here:

1. Height: I personally don't think height is all about hand strength. I think it is a just one factor. You need to be able to squeeze the coin with a strong grip to provide enough enough static enegery to give a strong "pop" to the coin. That is the only part that has to do with muscle strength. The rest of it is technique. To have the coin in the proper place. To be able to move your thumb muscle in such a way that it causes a rapid popping away of the coin edge as opposed to a slow slipping away of the edge. Dry hands help to create the coin pop, moist hands tend to make the coin slip not pop.

2. Hurting yourself: PR, I think most of the rumors that the muscle pass will do damage to your hand are from people who cannot muscle pass and make excuses instead. I'd be willing to bet that the guy who stopped doing it because he could hurt himself never could do it in the first place and had a muscle pass inferiority complex after seeing yours. While I don't doubt someone with arthritis or tendonitis or any "-itis" would have pain or problems with the move. If you sit around all day popping a coin out of your hand for hours and hours on end, I am sure you are doing to hurt yourself. Though you would probably hurt yourself squeezing anything for hours and hours (maybe go blind as well).

The most you ever do the muscle pass is to initially learn it. Once you learn it, you don't forget it. I can go for weeks without doing it and be able to pick up a coin pop it as high as I show in my web video.

I hurt my hands more riding my SeaDoo watercraft in rough waves than I do muscle passing a coin.
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I've seen a couple people post that they MP multiple coins. How are the coins placed in the hand? Are they simply in a squared up stack? How do they fly out? Do they follow the same path or fly all over the place? I just recently tried this (after reading Reed's post). They seem to fly everywhere.

Also, I have a need to load 4 coins CP with one hand. I would like to do it all at once (for speed and less motion) as opposed to one at a time. Any suggestions?
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I cannot do the muscle pass except for perhaps an inch.

Is there a benefit to practicing it shooting into the other hand or down instead of UP just for the feel of it?

and why is it called the muscle pass? was it invented to pass a coin from one hand to the other ?

just wondering.
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It's named the muscle pass in Arthur Buckley's PRINCIPLES AND DECEPTIONS in 1948.

It's aptly named because you use your thumb muscle to propel (pass) a coin into your other hand. Thus the name "muscle pass".

The muscle pass does not have to always be done up. I don't see why it would not work to practice it in different directions.
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Well it must have worked because now I can do it 5 or 6 inches up. I don't know why. All of a sudden I just can. Nope. just 3 inches. i re-checked. but still!!!

I also noticed that shooting down i can do it almost 5 feet if i hold my hand up real high Smile
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You do NOT increase your risk of arthritis by performing/practicing the muscle pass. Smile
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yes, I truely think that doing the muscle pass pointing down is a good way to get your muscles to feel what they are supposed to feel on your way to doing the effect pointing up. If you can't do it, try this for a while til you get the feel. Once it starts shooting down well, start to shoot it more horizontal into your other hand and eventually straight up.

It seems to work for me. My pass goes a few inches up and is more consistent after trying it the way i described.

thoughts?
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I use it horizontally in my "foney" explanation during a copper silver routine.

Although it has been about 25 years since I learned, it seems as if I learned it sideways before I could get much height with the "coin that falls up".

I have one coin in each hand and do the "pass" at the same time with each hand.

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Honestly I do not do a vertical pass well but I do ge about a foot from a verticle position, which is suitable for me since i use it for coins across & to ditch into a topit.
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Excellent idea on the topit.

You might try to "shirt it", using the same idea.

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