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davidpaul$ Inner circle Georgetown, South Carolina 3400 Posts 
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Saw this recently from Jon Allen-- WonderFob
https://www.murphysmagic.com/product.aspx?id=76545 I not too long ago picked up SC2KR Signed Card to Key Ring. Same concept and very similar ( small leather key fob) but looks like a slightly different handling. https://www.murphysmagic.com/product.aspx?id=77003 Curious about WonderFob as it doesn't show a full performance.
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The great Gumbini Inner circle 3196 Posts
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It does appear to be a card at impossible location. It's pretty clever in my opinion. But there are so many of these already out there. Yet this is a nice one that you can carry around with you and seems well made from the video.
Good magic too all, Eric |
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Roberto W Inner circle 1553 Posts
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On Jan 30, 2025, davidpaul$ wrote: I’m curious re the handling too. When I first watched the trailer, I was hoping to see a full performance to get a feel for the handling. It may be a similar concept to SCRKR, only can’t visualise it based on the look of the fob. I still think Sankey’s paper clipped is very deceptive if performed well, but like you and others who perform this plot, always looking for good variations. Maybe Jon could post a private linked vid showing a full performance. Thanks |
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The great Gumbini Inner circle 3196 Posts
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I'm thinking along the lines of a bulldog clip only in a keyfob design which honestly I think is brilliant.
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ArtIn Inner circle 2076 Posts
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I like it very much. It shares some similarities with his Paragon 3D if you know what I mean.
It’s a shame that you are not allowed to download the tutorial (stream only). |
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Roberto W Inner circle 1553 Posts
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On Jan 30, 2025, ArtIn wrote: So from this I’m guessing it’s more of a tip out than a pull out. Everyone’s opinion is different to what they feel is a better illusion when doing the move, so I suppose we will have to just wait until we see someone perform it to judge. Thanks |
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davidpaul$ Inner circle Georgetown, South Carolina 3400 Posts
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Thanks for the responses. Yes a better trailer would be helpful. SCTKR is really good but I like the look of this as well, especially with the other effects offered. Do I need another CTIL prop, No but can't help myself. Argh
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magicmind Inner circle South 3767 Posts
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On Jan 30, 2025, Roberto W wrote: Handling is similar to 3D paradox. Nothing lik the Grum item other than from the spec point of view. |
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CopperChopCup Veteran user 327 Posts
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I really like my Mag Switchby Patrick Kun.
I don’t understand why creators/producers are so hesitant to show us what the move looks like. I can’t make a decision on this key fob without knowing what the mechanics are. I don’t even need to know what the method is inside the thing, just show me what I’d see if I was a spectator. |
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davidpaul$ Inner circle Georgetown, South Carolina 3400 Posts
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On Jan 30, 2025, CopperChopCup wrote: EXACTLY!!!!
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Axman Elite user 466 Posts
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It is from Jon Allen, I have never been let down by anything he has released. Double back goes into every new deck of cards I open. I guarantee this is superb. I will also be all over his new wallet. Jon is up there with Michael Murray and Richard Sanders in that you know their stuff will be excellent.
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davidpaul$ Inner circle Georgetown, South Carolina 3400 Posts
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I've always had good things to say about Jon. My first exposure to him was from his VHS tape "Spectators Don't Exist"
Learned "A LOT". The coin holder/Fob by itself is readily available on certain sites. As was mentioned, I'd like to see a full performance from a spectators perspective before I buy. No reflection on the creative talents of Jon and his products. Top Notch.
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CopperChopCup Veteran user 327 Posts
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On Jan 30, 2025, Axman wrote: Buy me one then! 
I just need to see what the handling looks like. Being deliberate about not showing the reveal doesn’t work for me. Knowing it will be excellent and knowing that it will work for my needs are very different. Again, MagSwitch showed me everything I needed to know. Of course I knew how it worked by watching it, but that is what pushed me to eventually purchase it. I’ll honestly wait until I see what it actually is. |
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Roberto W Inner circle 1553 Posts
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It’s odd why Jon didn’t want to show a full performance as usually he’s pretty transparent in his trailers. I get that creators may be a bit concerned if something can be backtracked and made/replicated at home. But with a gimmick like this, same as mystery box, SC2K, vision box, mag switch list goes on, these are not gimmicks you can’t just easily knock up and perform without spending. Same goes for this fob gimmick, by showing how it looks from a spectator perspective is not giving anything away. We all know what’s going on just need to know if it’s more of a tip or a pull move as this will be a decider if it fits each persons handling style and preference when it comes to how deceptive the illusion looks.
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Jon Allen V.I.P. England 1806 Posts
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Wow!
That’s a lot to process. For those who don’t know how it differs from SC2KR, it is a completely different method. The Keyfob can be examined afterwards if you really want to do that. For those who want to know what WonderFob looks like for a layperson, watch the trailer at 0.22 where I perform it for a layperson. I take out the keyfob. The person sees a folded card. I clearly take it out and show it. I place it in my other hand as I put the keyfob away. I open up the card on my hand and it is the signed card. That is what they saw, he was amazed, and that is what you would see. CopperchopCup, what are your needs that you have in order for this to work for you? What mechanics of this do you need to know (that is not shown in the trailer at 0.22) in order to make a decision as to whether it is worth buying? Roberto W, I doubt many people make a decision based on whether it is a “tip” or “pull”. What would be your preference, and why? I’m genuinely curious and unfortunately, do not have the time to discuss due to limited time getting my Palisade a wallet ready for Blackpool.
Creator of iconic magic that you will want to perform.
The Silent Treatment, The Pain Game, Paragon 3D, Double Back, Destination Box and more. Available at www.onlinemagicshop.co.uk |
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davidpaul$ Inner circle Georgetown, South Carolina 3400 Posts
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Speaking for myself, I'd like to see as was mentioned a full
performance, to a degree. The trailer is quick and at .22 it is a view from a distance. Mullica, Balducci/Kapps/, Switches are all different methods as well a special boxes Paragon 3D, MCB etc. I have SC2KR, wallets and boxes.. You say you can hand out the Fob "afterwards". But not before? We all know methods but why I'm not ready to hit the add to cart button is imo lack of clarity in visual methodology of the WonderFob. Not the actual method but watching a short video from spectator picking a card to reveal. Every other trailer I have seen gives a much better picture, My opinion. I'm sure it's a great prop...but... All the best with your Palisade wallet and will be sure to check it out when released.
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davidpaul$ Inner circle Georgetown, South Carolina 3400 Posts
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Quote: On Feb 1, 2025, davidpaul$ wrote:
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Jon Allen V.I.P. England 1806 Posts
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On Feb 1, 2025, davidpaul$ wrote: Hi David, I appreciate the reply. Firstly, WonderFob can be handed out before the reveal. In the trailer, at 0.49, I say it can “even be held by someone else”. There is nothing to find. When you write, “lack of clarity on visual methodology” what does that mean? If you mean seeing how the actions look, you can see it in the trailer and I’ve also written exactly what happens. I also don’t understand how a full performance would help. I will clarify here and now that a card is signed, I do Ambitious Card (and who wants to watch that in a trailer!), then secretly do a perfect MCF before taking out the WonderFob from my pocket. I don’t think any of that needs to be seen in a full in a trailer. At 0.42 you clearly see exactly what it looks like to everyone who sees it live. While the camera is not focused, close up on my hands after removing the WonderFob from my pocket, you can clearly see I’m taking something out, so it’s not pulling anything back inside. You can clearly see I’m not tipping out the contents, but rather taking it out and showing it. There are products that switch things for the magician. Even with those, there is still timing, handling and audience management required to execute them in a natural way. WonderFob is not one of those props. Thanks.
Creator of iconic magic that you will want to perform.
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Roberto W Inner circle 1553 Posts
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Thanks Jon for all the replies. At 42scs it shows you opening the flap of the fob showing a folded card inside, the next frame cuts to part moment you see a full folded card inside your hand (spectators signed card). So hope you can appreciate no where in the trailer to us, shows exactly how it looks from a spectators perspective. Everyone’s take on what people’s opinions are re logic and natural handling is different from reading various comments over the years with effects like this. Some people prefer say mystery box (tip) whilst others may prefer say vision box/paperclip/mag switch (more of a pull retention of vision). That mixed with what the prop is, I think then determines someone’s preference with this plot.
So I think by seeing the whole routine all the above can then get taken into consideration. Please don’t take this the wrong way, but no matter how you try to explain in detail how the audience views it/what happens won’t make a difference unless people actually see it demonstrated. |
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warren Inner circle uk 4949 Posts
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I agree Robert a full performance would be nice to see exactly what's involved and how it looks, Jon is known for his quality products however the reveal doesn't really show much but obviously that's just my humble opinion.
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