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Bob Kohler Special user 704 Posts |
Greetings,
Actually the Fitch Kohler Professional Holdout System is still available on a limited basis. I'm expecting a batch of 20 units in about one week. When they arrive I'll list them as "in stock" on my website at http://www.bobkohlermagic.com. |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24315 Posts |
I perform banjo setup as a hobby. I don't get paid for it, but I know what I'm doing, and I purchase the best tools for the job.
I don't buy cheap wrenches or cheap files, because they don't last as long as good ones. For example, the inexpensive tools made in some third world countries generally do not hold up as well as the tools from major tool manufacturers. So, I buy Crescent® sdjustable wrenches and similar quality hand tools. Some of these inexpensive holdouts will work just fine, but they aren't as versatile as the one that the Bobs make. I haven't seen the Black Widow yet, so I won't pass judgment on it, even though I have been told by one dealer how they are made. The Fitch-Kohler holdout really needs no justification. If you are part of the target group for which it is made, you will buy one. If not, you will purchase something else. It's that way with everything from cups to cars. Most of us don't need a Ferrari, a Mercedes, a Beamer or a Rolls. But the people who own them like them. So who's to say that their manufacturers are ripping people off or that the customers are paying too much if they get what they feel they want and need? I can do most of what ANY of your holdouts will do with a piece of parachute cord, a weight, a clothes pin, a leather watchband and a few other oddments. It won't cost me more than a buck or so. But it will eventually damage my clothing, mess up my wrist, and it won't be as instantly changeable as the Fitch-Kohler system. I've seen some really funny things passed off as holdouts.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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Dan Watkins Inner circle PA 3028 Posts |
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On 2006-08-28 07:36, Sean Macfarlane wrote: Sean, While I am not a user, I had the opportunity to see (and put on my arm and try out) a friend's Black Widow. I also first saw the FK Holdout system in 2002 when Kohler showed it to a group of people at LVMI along with a demo of some effects. I have also been able to see privately some of the unpublished mind blowing applications Bob uses it for when I stayed at his house when filming my DVD, Coin Man Walking. So even though I don't perform with both of those holdouts, I am familiar with them on a technical level. They are completely different designs with completely different princples behind their mechanics. Out of respect for both creators I don't want to really divulge anything that is not in their marketing. From the Hocus Pocus website you can read the following: 1. The black widow was designed to do one thing very well. That one thing is switch (or vanish) an item in a spectator's hand by waving your hand over theirs. 2. It is worn on your arm with an additional single anchor point. 3. It actuates by extending the arm forward and backward. The FK Holdout is a type of gravity holdout. 1. It is designed to do many things well and has 10 different attachments for various uses. 2. It is a gravity holdout so it is not actually worn on your arm, it is worn inside your jacket. It anchors to your opposite arm. 3. Moving the opposite arm causes the gravity holdout to raise or lower. A gravity holdout is designed to vanish or switch out almost any object typically in your own hand. This is usually done with your hand casually at your side since the force of gravity is what lowers the holdout. So the vanishing/switching is done during an offbeat moment. The FK holdout however can be used for some direct uses not typical to gravity because of its innovative design, I can't really talk about this more because Bob doesn't in his advertising. The BW is designed to vanish or switch out specific types of objects from your spectator's hand since it does not actuate with your hand at your side, but rather it extends when you push your hand out in front of your body. If you read the lengthy thread on the BW HERE you can properly ascertain that the objects to be vanished need to have a certain charateristic, or modified in some way. Also because of the design, if you wanted to switch an object or vanish an object in your own hand you would have to coreograph a reason to extend your arm in front of you (probably reaching for another object, etc.) So the movement neccessary to actuate it is less offbeat because it is not gravity, but rather an active arm motion forward to use it. The FK Holdout could probably vanish an object from a spectator's hand, but it is not as well suited to that specific task as the BW is. The FK Holdout is overall more versatile because of its various attachments. |
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Sean Macfarlane Special user 880 Posts |
Great post Dan, very informative!
Sean |
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pradell Special user Alaska 560 Posts |
To become more educated regarding this device, visit http://www.bobkohlermagic.com/products/holdout.html and read more about the history and the prop itself. But before you purchase this unique and very well made thing that shall not be seen, go to http://www.bobkohlermagic.com/products/holdoutagreement.html and read the licensing agreement. Be sure you are familiar with its terms and agree to lease this product according to all of the rules before you purchase it.
I have seen the prop. Thomas Wayne has made and improved magical illusions which I own. The quality of the work is superior. But it is truly not for everyone. And this, too, is one of the reasons that the price is where it is. This keeps the device out of the reach of the weekend magician and reserves it for professionals who have a need and a desire for this item, and can find a purpose for it in their individual acts. :magicrabbit: |
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Sean Macfarlane Special user 880 Posts |
Thomas Wayne is truly an excellent craftsman no doubt about it! I own his wand and have seen his stuff for sale at his booth at the LVMI. I have also seen the holdout and its quality. He also makes some pretty nice leather cases too for the close up magician. Not sure if he makes them anymore, I sure would like to recieve mine that I ordered over one year ago!
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sullivanl Loyal user 277 Posts |
You didn't recieve your leather close-up case ordered over a year ago from Thomas Wayne?!!
I suggest trying to contact him, if you haven't done so already, and if that doesn't work file a complaint and get a refund via paypal. |
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cheekychap Regular user 141 Posts |
Are there any holdout DVDs?
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
I'm just a dum old comedy magician. I have no desire to be the slickest guy there is, but in reading this thread I don't know if we are talking about coins, cards, manipulation, or what. If this darn system is so good showing the world a demo will reveal nothing, but the power everyone in the in crowd is talking about. I promise not to look at the man behind the curtain Bob. Give us a demo so I too can smugly brag that I saw it once too.
Al Angello
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
http://www.juggleral.com http://home.comcast.net/~juggleral/ "Footprints on your ceiling are almost gone" |
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
At a price tag of $1995.00, if I bought this, I'd be just as happy without any demo clips available. I'm sure plenty of close confidants of the two Bob's have seen it live and we've all heard the miracles that can be performed with it.
Like Bill Plamer says, if you are part of the target group for which it is aimed at, you will buy one. Just my thoughts. Chris
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts |
AFAIK there is plenty of video of the FK holdout in action.
But it seems silly to point it out. It's a holdout and not seen directly. According to Bob Fitch and others associated with the project it's a wonderfully designed and practical thing which has built-in solutions to several problems one encounters when using a gravity holdout in real-world conditions. So if you are out in the trenches performing and already using a holdout... you may already have good reason to seek out this device.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
If mere mortals can not see the emperors new clothes, why then is he marching in a parade? Why has there been 71 posts made on the CIA's new top secret project?
Magic Chris, You forgot to say, "HA HA HA!" Al Posted: Nov 27, 2006 12:32pm --------------------------------------------- Ok, a kind member of the Café PMed me with the general idea what you guys are talking about, so I have no more questions. Al Angello
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
http://www.juggleral.com http://home.comcast.net/~juggleral/ "Footprints on your ceiling are almost gone" |
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
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On 2006-11-27 07:41, Al Angello wrote: Actually, I meant to add "MUAHAHAHAHAHHA!!"
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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Robert Fitch New user Leonia, NJ 38 Posts |
For Al Angello...anyone really! You have a great sense of humor and irony.
As Jonathon mentioned, there are films of the HO in action, e.g., some old films of Jack Miller with balls, silks, egg bag, ropes exist...I think through Jack McIlhany. They look pretty darn good... Our F/K Holdout has 7 DVDs on the various attachments, tricks, etc., but they are only sold with the unit. If you've watched any Criss Angel specials, he uses ours on the vanishing ring to ice cube in the glass....4 coins instantly across...and the passe passe routine on the bar with some spilled coffee milk. Also perhaps, some of me on the Coinvention DVDs. So, enjoy your research...and Happy New Year. Cheers, Bob Fitch "Making Magicians Magical"
Cheers...Imagination can make magicians of us all.
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Review King Eternal Order 14446 Posts |
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On 2005-11-08 13:09, Bob Kohler wrote: Bob's post was from a couple of years back, but I think it warants a bump. I loved the Vernon story. I hope one day Bob writes a book about his adventures in magic. He has some amazing stories that I know many folks would love to hear.
"Of all words of tongue and pen,
the saddest are, "It might have been" ..........John Greenleaf Whittier |
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Gamblingman007 New user 65 Posts |
I’m looking for a Fitch and Koler Holdout. Please contact me if you know of anyone who’s selling one. Thank you.
Gamblingman007 |
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Greg Arce Inner circle 6732 Posts |
Boy, it's almost going on 2 decades ago when I was allowed to see a demonstration of this holdout. We were at a Vegas convention and some of us got lucky enough to have a private demo in one of the hotel rooms. I just remember feeling like I was seeing real magic performed right in front of me.
Some of the things I remember: a cut and restore rope where he just really cut a rope in half the tossed the pieces at me. It seemed like the rope restored in mid-air. I saw coins appear and vanish with no sound. I remember having the type of ball you would use in a cups & balls routine thrust into my face and suddenly vanishing. It was truly magical stuff. And when they explained all the other stuff it could do I was floored. He showed us what you got and it really looked like you were getting a James Bond secret device kit. Anyway, those are my memories of seeing it in action. Greg
One of my favorite quotes: "A critic is a legless man who teaches running."
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DrVG Loyal user 268 Posts |
2022 , anything new under the sun?
I couldn't find any comparison for : fk / invisible hand /romero perfect holdout / James P. Riser holdout? |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27300 Posts |
If you want to obtain the item, ask BobK
Folks who have the item are not going to discuss what's "new or different". You probably have to life with a holdout a while, especially a gravity holdout, to get a sense of what you would like improved.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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