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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 3287 Posts 
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On May 18, 2025, Michael Rubinstein wrote: I agree. And not many people do coin tricks beyond the quarter in the ear so it's not an oversaturated market. I do also love cards, but coins are so much more fun. And less math. And you don't have to do a bunch of pre-arranging.
Typhoon Tuck
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 3287 Posts
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On May 18, 2025, gallagher wrote: Just for context, I'm saying that TikTok magic contributes to the loss of plot based effects and overemphasis on flashy moves.
Typhoon Tuck
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 3287 Posts
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Something else I love about coin magic is the transferability of skills.
My first two magic books were Bobo and Erdnase and I found Roth's DVDS next. So when I went to learn Cups & Balls the basic sleights were SO MUCH EASIER with cork balls than anything I was doing with coins. It doesn't take long to figure out what you can do with similar sized objects. Like I have horseshoes the same size as my jumbo coins and I have plots for that. (I wish more people would comment, I feel weird triple posting, but I'm also really excited about this topic and hearing from Dr. Rubenstein. Him, Teller, and Jason England are probably my favorite living SOH guys.)
Typhoon Tuck
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JAlenS Inner circle Utah 1558 Posts
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On May 19, 2025, critter wrote: I started with coins 30 years ago. I am into bizarre and mentalism now but I love coin routines like Imagination Coin and Docc Hilford’s Nightmare coins. I love what Craig Petty did with the recent coin sets at alakazam and recently picked up Rick Holcombe’s book Calico. IMO coin magic is as alive and innovative as it ever was. If you get a chance check out the whiteverse channel on yt. Have you adopted any of Danny Goldsmith’s moves? Really nice teaching from him. |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 3287 Posts
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I have an 1893 Chicago World's Fair token I'd love to write a routine for about H.H. Holmes, but I don't want to just copy Christian Chelman's fabtastic Jack The Ripper routine so I need to mull it over.
Yes, I like Danny Goldsmith's work
Typhoon Tuck
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 3287 Posts
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Checked out the channel you recommended, good stuff.
There's a shockingly lot of good magic on YouTube. Not what I would expect but I've got probably a dozen Playlists with thousands of videos with everything from the old PBS Art of Magic to book reviews and spot on tutorials. Have to have the eye to spot the rubbish as well.
Typhoon Tuck
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JAlenS Inner circle Utah 1558 Posts
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Yeah. Lots of trash on there too lol. And exposure! I’m really interested in the quantum pad from tcc but I’ve heard it’s noisy so waiting for it to be addressed and fixed.
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 3287 Posts
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I've only watched a couple so far.
One I watched I was familiar with their method but they did a nice little job. I think Holcome has the best coin magic channel. Probably my current favorite magic channel overall.
Typhoon Tuck
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funsway Eternal Order old things in new ways - new things in old ways 10301 Posts
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Years ago, I was drawn back into coin effects by Mb, Tim and Etienne.
I wrote this ... Back when I was small, like you, my boy; and the world alive with “why” and “if,” I saw a man do something wond’rous that I remember with silent joy. He took a coin so shiny and round and placed it within my trembling hand that I clenched in fear of dropping it, though from eyes and voice I courage found. That coin then grew warm and trembled some as if alive and wanting to be a butterfly or tiny fairy more magical than what coins become. I opened my hand and it flew away in a flash of light and echoing song; and the man winked at me and laughed that I never fret over memory. Your days will be filled with “now” and “be” and mysteries to be solved and won; but magic needs no answer, little one – save that you and I are here to see.
"the more one pretends at magic, the more awe and wonder will be found in real life." Arnold Furst
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smithart Special user Texas 833 Posts
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On May 19, 2025, critter wrote: Although I can't agree that coin magic is better than card magic, I do believe that they should be able to stand as equals. First, as critter pointed out, the transferability of coin magic skills to almost any small object is a great argument for learning coin sleights (though not necessarily for performing with coins). Of course there are sleights that particularly or almost exclusively effective with coins. Second, although there is a paucity of coin plots or effects -- especially those that tell stories -- compared to card magic, there is still a much greater corpus than for other common objects. Third, there is a purity in coin magic that comes from the physical properties: the shape, the uniformity, the metallic gleam, the sense of weight, and especially the auditory element. Fourth, there is also a purity in the fact that coin magic happens primarily in the hands Fifth, is the psychological factor.. Coins carry universal symbolism; everyone understands their value, both literally and metaphorically. Sixth, coin magic is inherently more impromptu than almost any other form of magic. Coins are portable objects that are naturally carried. Although, coins as currency are becoming obsolete, coins are still symbolically recognizable. Seventh, card magic is so saturated that coin magic is a breath of fresh air to both magicians and spectators. (I believe many of these arguments are exclusive to coins, and hope they explain why I don't believe it's as simple as just replacing coins with other small objects.) Unfortunately, some of these reasons are weaker than in the past, especially number six. Carrying coins is becoming rarer, and particularly the denominations with which most of us prefer to work. (I didn't intend to write an essay, but I hope it proves useful to someone.)
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 3287 Posts
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It's not that I think coin magic is better than card magic, it's just more fun for me to do.
I love card magic, as well. Many of my favorites work primarily with cards.
Typhoon Tuck
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smithart Special user Texas 833 Posts
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On May 26, 2025, critter wrote: I was actually referring back to a previous post by Dr. Rubinstein: Quote: On May 18, 2025, Michael Rubinstein wrote:
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 3287 Posts
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Ah, got it
Typhoon Tuck
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JAlenS Inner circle Utah 1558 Posts
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On May 26, 2025, funsway wrote: That’s very nice!!! My two most favorite coin routines to perform are 1. Nightmare Coins by Docc Hilford and 2. Imagination Coins by Garrett Thomas although I use my own script and different coins. Craig Petty has another set in the works with Alakazam and supposed to be released pretty soon with another 8 years of tutorial content. |
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JAlenS Inner circle Utah 1558 Posts
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On May 27, 2025, smithart wrote: I agree. Maybe soon the only people carrying coins will be we magicians. I think coin routines with a story have a stronger effect on the spectators than routines that feature impossible looking sleights. The story element in Nightmare Coins can make lay people question if what they just witnessed was real magic or a trick with a strong presentation. |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 3287 Posts
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The obscurity of some coins may be an advantage in some contexts.
Maybe their rarity relates to their magical properties. Like Christian Chelman's Hauntiques.
Typhoon Tuck
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smithart Special user Texas 833 Posts
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On Jun 7, 2025, JAlenS wrote: Quote:
On Jun 7, 2025, critter wrote: Absolutely! With the use of stories and perhaps a little world-building, the more coin magic can live up to the expectations mentioned in this thread and keep it relevant. (The stories don't even have to be complex. They just need to frame the effects enough to create meaning.)
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countrymaven Inner circle 1717 Posts
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Coin magic is the most versatile of all magic. Card magic is good but you can't always carry a deck with you (especially without a jacket) and it is more involved. It was sad to hear that some have not performed in a while. I can perform anywhere almost any time if someone is open to it, and they usually are. But there is no time for a long story or super long plot in most cases. I like to pretend it is my lucky day, find a coin like a dollar coin, find more, produce more, "give them away" or vanish them, until there are no more. To do these types of routines, they go across way better if you have a glint in your eye and a smile on your face...
Again, you can always carry a few coins in your pocket. I am not trying to tell others how to do coin magic but if you keep it short, sweet and positive, you can do this anywhere. |
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JoeHohman Special user Erie 761 Posts
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There is a new guy in our ring who is really good with some of the Danny Goldsmith material. (I myself am a big Danny fan, though I have not yet bought any of his downloads.)
In my opinion, this new guy's chops are WAAAY better than mine. But when the new guy heard that I also do coin work, he asked me to show him something, so I did my coins through the table, which is basically the Al Baker "filtration" from Bobo with a few substitutions. When I finished, he smiled and said, "Wow, you performed that so smoothly! I've read about this routine, but I've never seen anyone do it..." He was very appreciative, and I felt "seen." But --- NEVER SEEN IT DONE??? I was a little taken aback. I agree with what MB said earlier --- it is good to mix it up between cards, coins, and other close-up material. I probably do more card work than anything else, but I would not want to watch me do only cards for an hour. (Maybe I could watch someone else do cards for an hour, but it ain't me, babe....) I've seen this often that some people seem to favor the card tricks; other will prefer the coins; and others still will light up when I pull out the rope or the cups and balls. I like them all, but some people will like one more than the others, and that's ok. (But one thing is for sure --- there is no such thing as a self-working coin trick!) |
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funsway Eternal Order old things in new ways - new things in old ways 10301 Posts
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(But one thing is for sure --- there is no such thing as a self-working coin trick!)
I can think of several - the "Never Was Vanish," for example. 
But, you are correct in that they are not for beginners.
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