On Jun 17, 2025, Nathan Alexander wrote:

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On Jun 17, 2025, Zuko_magic wrote:

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On Jun 17, 2025, MadisonH wrote:
A billet peek? How strong can this be? They write something on a piece of paper, you take the paper from them and tell them what they wrote. It’s a straight line to the method i.e. you can somehow see what they wrote. Surely that will mean an underwhelming reaction.


Sounds ridiculous doesn’t it?

Madison

i think your comparison is ridiculous unless that's how you peek billets. IMO a billet peek should be structured in a far more deceptive way with a logical disconnect. A good example would be name/place. There is a disconnect and no straight line to the method. Where is the logical disconnect with this? The nature of the medium being their phone, doesn't allow for it.

Iris is brilliant. (And way underpriced.)

"IMO a billet peek should be structured in a far more deceptive way with a logical disconnect. A good example would be name/place. There is a disconnect and no straight line to the method. Where is the logical disconnect with this? The nature of the medium being their phone, doesn't allow for it."

How did you come to this conclusion? Do you have this?

On Jun 17, 2025, Nathan Alexander wrote:
Of course! That's true. I take your point, but I ask because they do a great job in my opinion of justification and providing distance in many (if not all) of the routines.

On Jun 17, 2025, Zuko_magic wrote:

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On Jun 17, 2025, MadisonH wrote:
A billet peek? How strong can this be? They write something on a piece of paper, you take the paper from them and tell them what they wrote. It’s a straight line to the method i.e. you can somehow see what they wrote. Surely that will mean an underwhelming reaction.


Sounds ridiculous doesn’t it?

Madison

i think your comparison is ridiculous unless that's how you peek billets. IMO a billet peek should be structured in a far more deceptive way with a logical disconnect. A good example would be name/place. There is a disconnect and no straight line to the method. Where is the logical disconnect with this? The nature of the medium being their phone, doesn't allow for it.

On Jun 17, 2025, Zuko_magic wrote:

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On Jun 17, 2025, rmorrell wrote:
Indeed I would say it is quite the opposite you use the spectators knowledge against them the more they know the more baffled they should be. With the notes version you can ask them to delete what they have written then say as an afterthought almost - go ahead delete the note as well just to make sure. Then as another add on you say oh yes go ahead and remove it from the recently deleted as well. No one can think you can get anything from that. Same with the google maps version they are scrolling away from their destination they haven’t typed anything in how can you be getting anything from that?

The using their phone part is totally justified they have some great ideas for using the notes app for the revelation. Or you take their phone to try and refind their destination on the map. It all makes sense.

You don't think there's any chance they might be thinking 'he took my phone and looked at it... he must know a way to retrieve the information?'

On Jun 17, 2025, rmorrell wrote:

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On Jun 17, 2025, Zuko_magic wrote:

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On Jun 17, 2025, rmorrell wrote:
Indeed I would say it is quite the opposite you use the spectators knowledge against them the more they know the more baffled they should be. With the notes version you can ask them to delete what they have written then say as an afterthought almost - go ahead delete the note as well just to make sure. Then as another add on you say oh yes go ahead and remove it from the recently deleted as well. No one can think you can get anything from that. Same with the google maps version they are scrolling away from their destination they haven’t typed anything in how can you be getting anything from that?

The using their phone part is totally justified they have some great ideas for using the notes app for the revelation. Or you take their phone to try and refind their destination on the map. It all makes sense.

You don't think there's any chance they might be thinking 'he took my phone and looked at it... he must know a way to retrieve the information?'

Bob in his ebook regarding The Logical Disconnect talks about making the actual method used appear to be impossible I was just giving examples of how that is the case, like in his example with White Dwarf, here in Iris you make it impossible for them to feel like you could peek the information. You could also certainly add some of Bob's thinking from Name/Place on the Delayed Peek here as well, that might work nicely with the Google Maps idea, I will try that! I think we run the risk of this with any peek, I have done just standard billet peeks and spectators have said 'you must have just looked at it' it doesn't happen often and maybe it was my handling or something I was doing wrong, but maybe it is just a straight line conclusion, that would be the logical explanation and that is in essence the method isn't it, we just look at stuff when the spectators think we haven't! It is how we cover that and routine it to try and hide it as best we can.

I can say I have been using this method on and off for 10 years since it was first published and no one has ever pulled me up on it, not to say they weren't thinking that I somehow must have peeked, but your mileage may vary, try the Google Maps routine and see how you get on, you have definitely made me revisit Bob's thinking and how I can incorporate this here!

On Jun 17, 2025, Beny wrote:
There's some cool routines for this in The Jerx subscribers newsletter and like everything recommended there I'm not dissapointed, really nice effect, it's true that could stop working with future phone updates as some people said but the thing that it's been working for so long is already a proof that they don't even know that this is a thing lol, makes no sense to me

congrats on the release!

On Jun 18, 2025, fireisyummy wrote:

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On Jun 17, 2025, Beny wrote:
There's some cool routines for this in The Jerx subscribers newsletter and like everything recommended there I'm not dissapointed, really nice effect, it's true that could stop working with future phone updates as some people said but the thing that it's been working for so long is already a proof that they don't even know that this is a thing lol, makes no sense to me

congrats on the release!

I'm not subscribed to the Jerx Newsletter. Is there a way to see that one issue?

On Jun 17, 2025, Zuko_magic wrote:

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On Jun 17, 2025, Nathan Alexander wrote:
Of course! That's true. I take your point, but I ask because they do a great job in my opinion of justification and providing distance in many (if not all) of the routines.

I'll try the google maps effect out on thursday as it seems more impossible and I have a very good motivation for going back to their phone on that one. The price would be worth it for a good impromptu maps effect so maybe I'll change my mind.

On Jun 17, 2025, Beny wrote:
There's some cool routines for this in The Jerx subscribers newsletter and like everything recommended there I'm not dissapointed, really nice effect, it's true that could stop working with future phone updates as some people said but the thing that it's been working for so long is already a proof that they don't even know that this is a thing lol, makes no sense to me

congrats on the release!

On Jun 20, 2025, DailyMagician wrote:

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On Jun 17, 2025, Zuko_magic wrote:

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On Jun 17, 2025, Nathan Alexander wrote:
Of course! That's true. I take your point, but I ask because they do a great job in my opinion of justification and providing distance in many (if not all) of the routines.

I'll try the google maps effect out on thursday as it seems more impossible and I have a very good motivation for going back to their phone on that one. The price would be worth it for a good impromptu maps effect so maybe I'll change my mind.

I think the other thing you should know is the peek is an incredibly minor moment, if you want it to be, you can literally handle the phone for like 3 seconds. Plus, you don't take the phone back until the spectator is 100% comfortable that the information is irretrievably deleted. They don't make the link that you're going for a peek, because in their minds, there's literally nothing to peek and you're taking their phone to genuinely use their Google Maps app, notes app, whatever. Plus, they cannot backtrack the process whatsoever; you can show them their phone the whole time, other than the 3 seconds you need.

They don't find it suspicious and even if they do, they literally have no proof of you getting any info from anything and they'll never figure out how you did. So it's still fooling. Genuinely, though, if you handle it correctly, I've never had a spectator believe it was anything less than mind-reading. Throw in a couple of mentalist stunts like guessing their letter or making associations and you're going to get even better reactions.

I’ve changed my mind on this. The google maps approach is an impromptu miracle and it’s worth the asking price for that alone!

On Jul 7, 2025, Rizzo wrote:
Didn’t work on an iPhone 15 either