|
|
|
|||
| Go to page [Previous] 1~2~3~4..12~13~14 [Next] | ||||||||||
KevinKapinos New user 7 Posts 
|
For what it's worth, I just watched the tutorial and this exact principle was used by Michael Weber in an effect I saw him teach at his lecture at the Genii Convention in 2017. It's probably a case of independent invention, but I noticed he wasn't mentioned in the crediting section.
|
|||||||||
|
dj Inner circle 1387 Posts
|
Quote:
On Jun 24, 2025, KevinKapinos wrote: Do you mean "23" by Michael Weber? Michael Weber's “23” is based on Bob King's “New Way Prediction”. |
|||||||||
|
KevinKapinos New user 7 Posts
|
Quote:
On Jun 24, 2025, dj wrote: No, I haven't seen that effect. I don't remember the title of the trick, and I don't want to expose anything here, but it's the same gimmicked deck as what comes with Savant. The cards are paired up the same exact way and it uses the same commonly used gimmick to keep pairs together during riffle shuffles. |
|||||||||
|
tenchu Inner circle Europe 1222 Posts
|
Without exposing too much, the magic number could be 14, and this would eliminate the additional cards. The main principle stays the same. That's an Ellis Stanyon idea from "Ellis Stanyon's Best Card Tricks", written by Karl Fulves.
Mike |
|||||||||
|
Gnorman New user 20 Posts
|
Mine has been ordered, and as with all of Craig's releases I am really looking forward to it.
|
|||||||||
|
Craig Petty V.I.P. UK 2903 Posts
|
Quote:
On Jun 24, 2025, KevinKapinos wrote: Thanks for the post. To stop any crazy situations occurring like before The Savant Deck is based off the work of Owen Packard and it’s his principle from 2005. Owen has been very kind in giving us permission to take his original concept and take it in an entirely different direction Also the original core concept was published in the 1920’s by Val Evans, although again we have taken it in a different direction. Hope that helps |
|||||||||
|
leipzisch Inner circle 1408 Posts
|
Quote:
On Jun 24, 2025, KevinKapinos wrote: Newguy, it's been a while. Welcome back to the café you lovely sausage! |
|||||||||
|
joogy Regular user 191 Posts
|
Hola all,
For those who have already used the deck, can the spectator shuffle the cards as they want, overhand shuffle, riffle shuffle etc; Someone mentioned in one of the comments on YouTube, that an overhand shuffle is not possible. From my perspective,the majority of the times I have handed out cards to be shuffled, the spectator will use an overhand shuffle. Thanks Joogy |
|||||||||
|
David Klass Inner circle Beckenham, England 1321 Posts
|
Good question. Most lay people can barely overhand shuffle let alone rifle shuffle.
|
|||||||||
Lloyd Barnes Special user 587 Posts
|
Quote:
On Jun 24, 2025, joogy wrote: Great question and it’s answered extensively and in detail in the livestream shared on Murphy’s YT today. |
|||||||||
|
David Klass Inner circle Beckenham, England 1321 Posts
|
A 2hr video. Perhaps someone has the time to watch and can
just give the quick answer. |
|||||||||
ChrisWall Regular user England 150 Posts
|
Feel like that's a no...
"Have your cake and eat it... there's no other reason to have a cake" - Derren Brown
https://www.chrisreadsminds.co.uk |
|||||||||
|
Craig Petty V.I.P. UK 2903 Posts
|
Quote:
On Jun 24, 2025, joogy wrote: It’s really worth watching the video Lloyd posted. Short answer is there is some audience management of the spectator shuffles but even if they don’t riffle shuffle you can give the spectator the illusion of the deck being completely shuffles by them. I go into this in depth on the video linked above |
|||||||||
|
markthemagician Regular user 133 Posts
|
I ordered one today. I am looking forward to this one! I love most of Craigs releases. I wish people would just leave the guy alone. He is a great magician and a great creator!
|
|||||||||
|
KevinKapinos New user 7 Posts
|
Quote:
On Jun 24, 2025, David Klass wrote: Haven't watched the full video, but no, the spectator can't overhand shuffle the deck thoroughly. If they overhand shuffle a little, you'll probably retain enough to still be able to do most of the routines. If they riffle shuffle face up, you're screwed, but that can probably be easily managed if you're in control of the performance. If they mash the cards together like a faro or Rosetta shuffle, the trick won't work. If they do a wash on the table, or drop the cards, you're screwed, but that's the case with almost any gimmicked deck. There are more ways the spectator can randomize the cards under your control, though, like cutting a bunch of packets and stacking them up in any order, and processes like that. But even if the deck gets thoroughly and genuinely shuffled, then you can still do any of your repertoire from a shuffled deck in use; unlike many other gaffed decks you can use this as a normal deck. Denis Behr has a method for overhand shuffling this type of decks in one of his books, and it's very fooling even to magicians. With all that being said, I think managing these factors shouldn't be hard. Tamariz's Total Coincidence is a trick many professionals (myself included) use to close their shows, and the requirements for how a spectator can shuffle in that trick are much stricter. Tricks like shuffleboard, The spectator, red, black riffle shuffle, or any trick using the Gilbreath principle have much stricter criteria for how a spectator can shuffle than with this deck, and I rarely hear magicians concerned that a spectator will mess up any of those tricks. If you can confidently lead a spectator through shuffling for those tricks, you can manage them through this trick. You just need to answer the personal question of whether or not any of the effects with the savant deck are strong enough to warrant it. Only you can decide that. |
|||||||||
|
joogy Regular user 191 Posts
|
Hola all,
If you're just interested in the issue of shuffling,start the video at 30 minutes.This is purely from my perspective as I show tricks to mates down the pub, etc,and I know some people will ask to shuffle the cards. If they overhand shuffled, I would simply just perform another trick I knew, but then the reset would take ages I presume, if you wanted to perform one of the tricks related to the Savant deck. Another thing you could do is bring in the Savant deck after showing a few tricks with another deck, then there's no need to worry about the spectator shuffling the deck, as they already will have done with the previous deck. I suppose if you are a professional magician, I guess the issue of the shuffle is much less, as people tend to be more considerate and polite in formal settings. It is all about audience management in the end, some magicians are better than others at it. |
|||||||||
|
disgruntledpuffin Special user i have nothing to say about my 543 Posts
|
Josh Jay has a two person riffle shuffle in his impromptu Shuffle Bored effect that would solve the problem here.
|
|||||||||
|
DJ Trix Inner circle 1200 Posts
|
I wouldnt call this a magician fooler because it is very transparent what is going on from the demo. But it would be a layman fooler for sure.
No a spectator couldn't overhand shuffle this deck. They could cut it as many times as they want, and riffle shuffle it. If you just like the prediction effect as shown in the video, a memdeck or stack can achieve the same outcome via the same method. But to do the effect where you predict the pip count instantly this would be preferred over a mem or stack deck. Thus I would only recommend this if you were going for the latter effect. I can see the value in the UV ink addition to this old artifice (which is the only new component to it), but I would never carry around a UV light personally so that point is negligible. Good luck with your release gentlemen. |
|||||||||
|
Winnes Elite user 500 Posts
|
I have the deck that this is “inspired by” from 20 years ago and I never used it primarily due to the limitations with the shuffling. People, generally, just don’t riffle shuffle that much. I didn’t bother with the second version of it but really intrigued how this has been taken further and, to be fair people can say what they want about hype etc around his releases (I know I have) but when Craig says he’s worked stuff in , he really has. I’m 100% confident that whatever hang ups I had with the issues with shuffling have been resolved in here and really looking forward to seeing how it’s been taken forward.
|
|||||||||
|
Winnes Elite user 500 Posts
|
Quote:
On Jun 24, 2025, KevinKapinos wrote: For what it’s worth, it predates this by at least 12 years and the person is credited and thanked. |
|||||||||
| The Magic Cafe Forum Index » » Latest and Greatest? » » Savant Deck (172 Likes) | ||||||||||
| Go to page [Previous] 1~2~3~4..12~13~14 [Next] | ||||||||||
Posted: Jun 24, 2025 05:18 pm 
X
| [ Top of Page ] |
|
All content & postings Copyright © 2001-2026 Steve Brooks. All Rights Reserved. This page was created in 0.03 seconds requiring 5 database queries. |
|
The views and comments expressed on The Magic Café are not necessarily those of The Magic Café, Steve Brooks, or Steve Brooks Magic. > Privacy Statement < 
|