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After some practice, I am now better at the riffle shuffle that doesn't disturb the arrangement. I have performed this a few times now...

Mixed results.

My main conclusion is that this is not as "hands off" as claimed. Yes, you can make it work but you must be in complete control, and that means it seems less "free".

For example: spectator shuffling. If you can find a form of words that casually compels a spec to do a riffle shuffle, great. "Can you riffle shuffle? No? OK then I'll do it myself..." You might get away with that. Even then they will probably mess up the arrangement which puts the method at risk.

What I cannot manage is compelling the spec to cut a particular way. As I discovered, when a spec is holding the deck and you ask him to cut the cards, he or she very often pushes a pile off the top and puts them on the bottom. You may get lucky (I did once) They may cut using the long sides and not the short ends. Again there are ways you can reduce that risk, by demonstrating, or positioning the cards, or by holding them - but these are all restrictions. And if they are cutting the cards beneath the table, you cannot even see how they are cutting.

If Craig and Lloyd have devised ways around these issues, they are keeping them to themselves!



"Lift off some cards... and put them on the bottom. Now do that again if you want."

Leaving things to interpretation leaves things to be done in various ways and opens the door to have to add restriction. Tell them exactly what you want them to do in the first place. "Cut exactly like this" feels restrictive, but "Lift off some cards" does not.

That being said, it will never be 100%. So maybe mark half of your deck so you know if they cut properly or not and improvise from there.
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I’ve read that some users of this are also trimming the long edges to alleviate any fear they may not use the short edges to cut the deck. I can’t vouch for how well this works.

I would never let the spec shuffle the deck. If they are familiar enough with handling cards that they can do a riffle shuffle some may immediately follow that with a quick overhand shuffle out of habit or whatever. It’s too unpredictable and furthermore I don’t feel it’s at all necessary that they shuffle. Simply cutting the deck multiple times should suffice.
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Whilst I don't own this deck its very rare that I get spectators to shuffle the cards when I'm working as it just slows things down and doesn't really add much if anything to the overall effect so that shouldn't really be a deal breaker.
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What I cannot manage is compelling the spec to cut a particular way. As I discovered, when a spec is holding the deck and you ask him to cut the cards, he or she very often pushes a pile off the top and puts them on the bottom. You may get lucky (I did once) They may cut using the long sides and not the short ends. Again there are ways you can reduce that risk, by demonstrating, or positioning the cards, or by holding them - but these are all restrictions. And if they are cutting the cards beneath the table, you cannot even see how they are cutting.

If Craig and Lloyd have devised ways around these issues, they are keeping them to themselves!


I like to try to place little to no restrictions on the spectator’s cutting process.

In my set-up, I have marked every short card - simply coloured in the centre dot. That way the cutting continues until I see a dot on top. I have found that when a spectator does cut on the long side, more often than not she will produce a dot on top anyway. If not, I ask her to cut again and again, or I ask another spectator to cut, then another, or I do a final cut yourself. If she jags a red dot on first cut, I can stop there, or I try to build a little drama and difficulty into the process by getting more and more cutting done.

Given I don’t let spectators shuffle, I wanted to be more free with the straight cut process. If I include a multiple cut process, I do all of the cutting and then ask the spectator to reassemble the deck in any order she wishes.

The coloured in dot is a simple way to ensure that a straight cut keeps the right type of card on top.

It works fine for me.
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I also prefer working with a net so I have marked mine in the same way.
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Good idea
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I like to try to place little to no restrictions on the spectator’s cutting process.

In my set-up, I have marked every short card - simply coloured in the centre dot. That way the cutting continues until I see a dot on top. I have found that when a spectator does cut on the long side, more often than not she will produce a dot on top anyway. If not, I ask her to cut again and again, or I ask another spectator to cut, then another, or I do a final cut yourself. If she jags a red dot on first cut, I can stop there, or I try to build a little drama and difficulty into the process by getting more and more cutting done.

Given I don’t let spectators shuffle, I wanted to be more free with the straight cut process. If I include a multiple cut process, I do all of the cutting and then ask the spectator to reassemble the deck in any order she wishes.

The coloured in dot is a simple way to ensure that a straight cut keeps the right type of card on top.

It works fine for me.


Excellent!
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Can't wait to buy this.

The Art of Magic has been crying out for another gaffed deck.....and even more bloody card tricks. Smile
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There is never enough
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There is never enough

Clearly not for dealers and creators, forever wanting to cash in by flogging their latest brainfart.

Nor indeed for the raft of 'Magicians'(?) - who just adore adding to this weeks treasure trove of miracles, most of which will probably be gathering dust by Autumn. Smile
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There is never enough

Clearly not for dealers and creators, forever wanting to cash in by flogging their latest brainfart.

Nor indeed for the raft of 'Magicians'(?) - who just adore adding to this weeks treasure trove of miracles, most of which will probably be gathering dust by Autumn. Smile


You sound like a blast to hang out with and not at all like a total knob.
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On Aug 14, 2025, Maxyedid wrote:
There is never enough

Clearly not for dealers and creators, forever wanting to cash in by flogging their latest brainfart.

Nor indeed for the raft of 'Magicians'(?) - who just adore adding to this weeks treasure trove of miracles, most of which will probably be gathering dust by Autumn. Smile


Objectively speaking, the Savant Deck is a contribution to the Art of Magic in terms of plot and methods.

If you don’t like it or if people don’t use it - it’s another thing.
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There is never enough

Clearly not for dealers and creators, forever wanting to cash in by flogging their latest brainfart.

Nor indeed for the raft of 'Magicians'(?) - who just adore adding to this weeks treasure trove of miracles, most of which will probably be gathering dust by Autumn. Smile


You sound like a blast to hang out with and not at all like a total knob.

It's called having an opinion - and not being one of the brainwashed sheep. Perhaps you should try it some time? Smile

Incidentally, I don't "hang out" with people - whatever that actually means. However, I 'spend my valuable time' with some - usually others also well-versed in the Art of Magic, rather than those seduced by the raft of latest brainfarts.
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There is never enough

Clearly not for dealers and creators, forever wanting to cash in by flogging their latest brainfart.

Nor indeed for the raft of 'Magicians'(?) - who just adore adding to this weeks treasure trove of miracles, most of which will probably be gathering dust by Autumn. Smile


You sound like a blast to hang out with and not at all like a total knob.

It's called having an opinion - and not being one of the brainwashed sheep. Perhaps you should try it some time? Smile

Incidentally, I don't "hang out" with people - whatever that actually means. However, I 'spend my valuable time' with some - usually others also well-versed in the Art of Magic, rather than those seduced by the raft of latest brainfarts.


“Brainwashed sheep” is the oldest and most exhausted tell in the repertoire. It’s the grunt of a man whose rhetorical pantry has long since been emptied, now subsisting on the dried husks of talk-radio aphorisms and decade-old memes. Every time you type it, I hear a Windows XP startup chime and smell Axe body spray on a velvet close-up mat. It’s not a sign of independent thinking. It’s the last bleat of someone who lost interest in thinking altogether, somewhere between Sankey DVDs and self-published screeds. It's an old man with dementia shaking his fist at a cloud.

The Savant Deck concerns a concretely new and inventive method. It refines familiar trick-deck principles in a way that allows for totally unique handlings and effects. Its design allows for direct, apparently fair cuts, while giving the performer adaptive control over outcomes. That’s a real contribution to the art. But instead of engaging with the method, you staggered in, muttered your curse words at the moon, and slunk back beneath your rhetorical overpass. What you’re doing isn’t being an independent thinker, or even a good magician. It’s nothing but performative disdain, lacquered with nostalgia and the bitterness of failure and insignificance, masquerading as insight. No one is fooled.

Your line about spending time with “serious practitioners” rather than “hanging out” would carry more weight if it weren’t so obviously false. You don’t hang out with anyone. No one who clings to their bitterness this tightly has a circle. At best, you haunt old forum threads like a grumpy bridge troll, occasionally emerging to scold younger magicians for not having memorized Expert Card Technique by candlelight. You’re not the keeper of the flame, I hate to break it to you. You're just embarrassing.

If you have an actual argument about spectator management, method durability, or anything elsel, then make it. Show your work. Otherwise, you’re just shaking your cane around at people far better than you. The Art of Magic has survived exposure, corporatization, and YouTube. It can survive trick decks too. What it doesn’t need is one more self-appointed sentinel in a tattered cape shouting “sheep” from the ruins of his own relevance.

How's that for "having an opinion," gramps?
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How's that for "having an opinion," gramps?

Awwwwwwww......bless him. Rhetoric, incorrect statements and Ageism, all rolled into one diatribe.

Apart from when he's selling his unwanted cr@p, he seems to spend all his time in the 'Latest and Greatest' section, looking at what to spend his pocket money on next.

That truly says it all. Smile
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I don't sell anything, buddy. I think your dementia is flaring up.
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I don't sell anything, buddy. I think your dementia is flaring up.

Firstly, I'm not your 'buddy'.

Secondly, if anyone's dementia is flaring up, I think it's yours. You placed this item for sale, just earlier today!
https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/view......forum=76

Smile
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I don't sell anything, buddy. I think your dementia is flaring up.

Firstly, I'm not your 'buddy'.

Secondly, if anyone's dementia is flaring up, I think it's yours. You placed this item for sale, just earlier today!
https://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/view......forum=76

Smile


Ah, I see, you're talking about offering second hand goods...on the forum here designed for selling second-hand goods. Are you okay? Seriously. Some therapy might do you good, you seem like a truly miserable creature.

Anyway, let's get back to discussing this strong contender for "trick of the year." Smile
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Perhaps take the drama elsewhere? None of the personal opinions being expressed now have anything to do with the thread.
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Indeed. Suffice it to say, this one both passed the dreaded "wife test" for me, and has been slaying my close-up audiences. The Blank ACAAN routine is more than strong enough to serve as an excellent closer.
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