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Johannes Mengel Regular user Estonia 124 Posts	Posted: Dec 27, 2025 03:44 am 0 Quote: On Dec 27, 2025, CardGuyMike wrote: Quote: On Dec 26, 2025, Mengel Brothers wrote: I'm communicating very directly that there's more than the trailer shows and it won't look as clean as in the trailer. Johannes Well, there's the rub. The devil is in the details. How less clean will it look? I think that's part of what is giving people pause about what is one of the most expensive single-trick downloads I have seen. If it looks just like the trailer, we're in -- but as you say, that would be impossible and we realize that. So how much are we giving up? How much "dirty work" must be done, and when? It is under fire or on an offbeat? As much as you may say you have to protect the method, folks here are saying there's too much uncertainty. We just have to have faith in you and in Gregory Wilson. I guess this is the season for that No, don't get me wrong, it's still super clean, everything is done offbeat where it doesn't seem to be part of the performance at all and spectators 100% believe they are doing everything. I was just over-communicative about the fact that it can't look 100% exactly the same as in the trailer FROM MAGICIAN'S perspective because it's not ACTUALLY a self-working trick in the hands of a spectator, because that would literally defy the laws of physics. Obviously I'm fine with some people waiting for reviews and paying the full price and of course I would be happy if actually the majority of people who have interest in the product would do that, because this would support my work the most. That said, I understand the skepticism as well, because the effect does look freaking impossible, very close to actual magic I will show this to other respected performers and inventors as well to get their perspective on what's being offered. Let me know whose thoughts you would want to hear! Johannes www.BREAKTHROUGHTRICK.com "ONE OF THE GREATEST CLOSE-UP ILLUSIONS EVER CREATED!" - Vanishing Inc "Genuinely the best borrowed can routine I’ve seen." - Cyril "The Breakthrough System is one of the cleverest, most amazing uses of sleight of hand, spectator management, and just plain creativity, I have seen in a long time." - Chris Kenner “One of the best magic tricks I’ve seen in decades!” - Adam Wilber “The best impromptu trick I’ve ever seen." - Craig Petty "The Breakthrough System is the final word on this effect. Johannes Mengel won!" - Mark Elsdon
Johannes Mengel Regular user Estonia 124 Posts	Posted: Dec 27, 2025 04:19 am 0 Quote: On Dec 27, 2025, RichOrvec wrote: Johannes, In the ad, there are several shots that show a tab being placed on the bottom of a can, the spectator putting their hand over it themselves, shaking the can and the tab penetrates. I know you've said the spectator can't do it themselves, and there has to be something done to accomplish it. I don't care about what has to be done before, during, or after to accomplish it. I'd just like to know if that exact sequence of what happens in the ad is what is actually seen and experienced by the spectator, specifically them placing their hand over the tab on the bottom of the can and being able to see it in there before they cover it and the penetration happens. Thanks in advance! Yes, this is possible! This is what the spectator sees and experiences! And thank you Rich for simply asking a clarifying question respectfully if something was not clear for you. I appreciate that! Johannes www.BREAKTHROUGHTRICK.com "ONE OF THE GREATEST CLOSE-UP ILLUSIONS EVER CREATED!" - Vanishing Inc "Genuinely the best borrowed can routine I’ve seen." - Cyril "The Breakthrough System is one of the cleverest, most amazing uses of sleight of hand, spectator management, and just plain creativity, I have seen in a long time." - Chris Kenner “One of the best magic tricks I’ve seen in decades!” - Adam Wilber “The best impromptu trick I’ve ever seen." - Craig Petty "The Breakthrough System is the final word on this effect. Johannes Mengel won!" - Mark Elsdon
lunatik Inner circle 3338 Posts	Posted: Dec 27, 2025 05:21 am 1 Quote: On Dec 26, 2025, Mengel Brothers wrote: Quote: On Dec 27, 2025, lunatik wrote: I remember the old saying 'first is a trick, twice is a lesson'. I agree... UNLESS a routine and methods used are specifically built to be repeated - think about 3 Card Monte where each phase is with a different handling or Ambitious Card that ends with Card to Mouth - even though the main premise is the same it can still be very entertaining to watch and in this case here - even PERFORM it yourself as a spectator, so it's different. But of course each to their own. What I personally like is that TBS implements the most annoying questions we always get - "Can you do it again?" and "How did you do it?" into a beautiful, strong routine. So you don't HAVE to perform it several times, but you have a freedom to do so if you wish and in a very powerful way. Johannes Thank you for the thoughtful reply! Similar in an ambitious card routine "Don't let your Dreams become Fantasies"
jb13 Regular user 135 Posts	Posted: Dec 27, 2025 01:16 pm 4 I have to say that despite my initial criticism regarding the advertisement for the project, I’ve since been very impressed by Johannes openness and willingness to come on here and truthfully and respectfully answer the questions and listen to our concerns. It’s refreshing to see this from a creator. I like what I see and what I’m hearing. My order is in.
davidpaul$ Inner circle Georgetown, South Carolina 3400 Posts	Posted: Dec 27, 2025 02:46 pm 3 This looks very good and I personally don't know or have any experience with the creator. As was mentioned regarding pre-orders with creators we have known for years like JM and most recently DH (most know here on The Cafe who they are as well as others) have taken the money and ran. Not saying that's what will happen.... But someone once told me "Turn down the volume and watch the picture" if you know what I mean. No pre-orders for me no matter how good and loud the "volume" sounds. I'm being a "good" steward of the money I'm blessed to have. Respectfully. Guilt will betray you before technique betrays you!
loeld Veteran user 351 Posts	Posted: Dec 27, 2025 03:36 pm 2 Quote: On Dec 27, 2025, Mengel Brothers wrote: Quote: On Dec 27, 2025, RichOrvec wrote: Johannes, In the ad, there are several shots that show a tab being placed on the bottom of a can, the spectator putting their hand over it themselves, shaking the can and the tab penetrates. I know you've said the spectator can't do it themselves, and there has to be something done to accomplish it. I don't care about what has to be done before, during, or after to accomplish it. I'd just like to know if that exact sequence of what happens in the ad is what is actually seen and experienced by the spectator, specifically them placing their hand over the tab on the bottom of the can and being able to see it in there before they cover it and the penetration happens. Thanks in advance! Yes, this is possible! This is what the spectator sees and experiences! And thank you Rich for simply asking a clarifying question respectfully if something was not clear for you. I appreciate that! Johannes . Hi Johannes! I think that your answers are great and your patience is enormous! You never get irritated. I would have been. I am co creator of Frozen in Time together with Masuda and I have experienced similar comments. Good luck with your product! Alll the best Lars-Peter Loeld
CardGuyMike Inner circle 1069 Posts	Posted: Dec 27, 2025 04:22 pm 1 Quote: On Dec 26, 2025, Mengel Brothers wrote: No, don't get me wrong, it's still super clean, everything is done offbeat where it doesn't seem to be part of the performance at all and spectators 100% believe they are doing everything. Johannes OK, I think that's what I was leery of. I appreciate your patience and communication, and I also get that this is a self-produced effect where you have every right to market it however you like. You have convinced me to take the plunge! Best of luck.
CardGuyMike Inner circle 1069 Posts	Posted: Dec 27, 2025 05:50 pm 1 Quote: On Dec 26, 2025, RNK wrote: Quote: On Dec 27, 2025, CardGuyMike wrote: Quote: On Dec 26, 2025, Mengel Brothers wrote: I'm communicating very directly that there's more than the trailer shows and it won't look as clean as in the trailer. Johannes Well, there's the rub. The devil is in the details. How less clean will it look? I think that's part of what is giving people pause about what is one of the most expensive single-trick downloads I have seen. If it looks just like the trailer, we're in -- but as you say, that would be impossible and we realize that. So how much are we giving up? How much "dirty work" must be done, and when? It is under fire or on an offbeat? As much as you may say you have to protect the method, folks here are saying there's too much uncertainty. We just have to have faith in you and in Gregory Wilson. I guess this is the season for that Very surprised at the negativity when Johannes has been very upfront and open about everything (as much as he could without strait out telling us the method) not just here with his replies but it's even spelled out and detailed in the ad as well. Not to mention a 100% Satisfaction Guarantee or your money back. No creator offers this! Seriously, this is not good enough for people here? If your skeptical that's fine, just wait for reviews. Obviously the opinion of how much dirty work that may need to be done is going to be dependent on the performers experience. The ad states that beginners can successfully perform this. It appears there will be 10 different routines taught for varying experience levels. Is it possible some are not reading the ad in full? A lot of these concerns expressed are answered in the ad. For instance, Johannes openly states that something needs to be done because as we all should know, REAL Magic doesn't exist. I think what that something may be cannot be shown without giving some of the method away, IMO, and I think Johannes even says something that eludes to that. I'm ok with this, if some here are not then just wait on other purchaser's opinions. Certainly there has been some negativity (it is the Cafe after all) but how is my post an example of that? I'm asking questions and being skeptical. The amount of dirty work to be done is quite objective regardless of experience -- it's the difficulty of that work that depends on experience. Ad copy means nothing -- I'm not accusing Johannes of this, but there have been any number or ads/trailers that have flat out lied. So I'm not just going to go by ad copy -- of which there were far too many pages to scroll through. And of course if we wait for reviews, the price jumps considerably so we have to weigh that in. I might respond in kind and say I'm very surprised at how gullible you seem to be, blindly trusting the ad copy. But of course I don't believe that -- just surprised you would pick on me for a little skepticism and asking questions, and not in a disrespectful way.
Johannes Mengel Regular user Estonia 124 Posts	Posted: Dec 28, 2025 02:53 pm 0 Quote: On Dec 26, 2025, Stunninger wrote: Lots of hype and presented as something that seems a little too good to be true. Can you please clarify what are you referring to? Because I literally address the point you are making in the trailer: "I get it, it sounds too good to be true and no-one want's to be fooled by the hype..." and I do my best to make sure people would have a clear understanding and realistic expectations by being transparent: "Of course the trailer protects the method and obviously it can’t be a self-working trick with a borrowed can. So it seems like a spectator can do it all, but there has to be something more - it’s not real magic." Creating an impression that the product is better than it actually is would hurt my hard earned reputation as a creator, so this is something I want to avoid. If there's anything you feel I'm over promising or potentially misrepresenting, please do let me know and I will correct it and clarify it if needed to make sure we all are on the same page about what is being offered here! Thanks for feedback! Johannes www.BREAKTHROUGHTRICK.com "ONE OF THE GREATEST CLOSE-UP ILLUSIONS EVER CREATED!" - Vanishing Inc "Genuinely the best borrowed can routine I’ve seen." - Cyril "The Breakthrough System is one of the cleverest, most amazing uses of sleight of hand, spectator management, and just plain creativity, I have seen in a long time." - Chris Kenner “One of the best magic tricks I’ve seen in decades!” - Adam Wilber “The best impromptu trick I’ve ever seen." - Craig Petty "The Breakthrough System is the final word on this effect. Johannes Mengel won!" - Mark Elsdon
jb13 Regular user 135 Posts	Posted: Dec 28, 2025 03:04 pm 1 This thread inspired me to go back and re-learn the original Breathrough, which I purchased through Penguin when it first came out but never performed as much as I hoped. I was surprised and disappointed to discover that US quarters no longer fit into the cans that I tried. While I haven’t done an exhaustive search, this was true of 3 different cans that I had on hand. Is anyone still doing the original (or Sinful for that matter) with US quarters? Has can manufacturing changed making these only doable with specific cans or smaller coins?
Johannes Mengel Regular user Estonia 124 Posts	Posted: Dec 28, 2025 03:05 pm 0 Quote: On Dec 27, 2025, jb13 wrote: I have to say that despite my initial criticism regarding the advertisement for the project, I’ve since been very impressed by Johannes openness and willingness to come on here and truthfully and respectfully answer the questions and listen to our concerns. It’s refreshing to see this from a creator. I like what I see and what I’m hearing. My order is in. Thank you for your trust in me! I'll do my best for this to be justified also with the delivery of the product! Johannes www.BREAKTHROUGHTRICK.com "ONE OF THE GREATEST CLOSE-UP ILLUSIONS EVER CREATED!" - Vanishing Inc "Genuinely the best borrowed can routine I’ve seen." - Cyril "The Breakthrough System is one of the cleverest, most amazing uses of sleight of hand, spectator management, and just plain creativity, I have seen in a long time." - Chris Kenner “One of the best magic tricks I’ve seen in decades!” - Adam Wilber “The best impromptu trick I’ve ever seen." - Craig Petty "The Breakthrough System is the final word on this effect. Johannes Mengel won!" - Mark Elsdon
Johannes Mengel Regular user Estonia 124 Posts	Posted: Dec 28, 2025 03:18 pm 0 Quote: On Dec 28, 2025, jb13 wrote: This thread inspired me to go back and re-learn the original Breathrough, which I purchased through Penguin when it first came out but never performed as much as I hoped. I was surprised and disappointed to discover that US quarters no longer fit into the cans that I tried. While I haven’t done an exhaustive search, this was true of 3 different cans that I had on hand. Is anyone still doing the original (or Sinful for that matter) with US quarters? Has can manufacturing changed making these only doable with specific cans or smaller coins? This is one of the issues I wanted to solve with TBS and using a TAB instead of a coin achieves that! First of all, as I expressed previously using a tab in the solid through solid effect with a can is the most logical and natural/organic option. Why bring something extra (coin) into the plot when you can use a tab FROM the can you already are using anyway? So using a tab removes all the headache of finding the right coin and it works literally with all cans and all tabs in all countries, which is amazing if you think about it. So this effect/routine is something you can use and is relevant as long as cans exist - this means you can perform this until the day you die. Johannes www.BREAKTHROUGHTRICK.com "ONE OF THE GREATEST CLOSE-UP ILLUSIONS EVER CREATED!" - Vanishing Inc "Genuinely the best borrowed can routine I’ve seen." - Cyril "The Breakthrough System is one of the cleverest, most amazing uses of sleight of hand, spectator management, and just plain creativity, I have seen in a long time." - Chris Kenner “One of the best magic tricks I’ve seen in decades!” - Adam Wilber “The best impromptu trick I’ve ever seen." - Craig Petty "The Breakthrough System is the final word on this effect. Johannes Mengel won!" - Mark Elsdon
LeoTheJet Elite user 499 Posts	Posted: Dec 29, 2025 03:29 pm 1 This thread won me over. Ordered. Now have to patiently wait until 2/27 to learn this thing.
countrymaven Inner circle 1703 Posts	Posted: Dec 29, 2025 06:37 pm 2 I have the original Breakthrough from Penguin. I hadn't attached much importance to that but will dust it off. I am pretty sure they only added a few things to that and are repricing it big time. You can at least easily figure out what they mean by, the video isn't the same as on the trailer... by watching this video. Uses very clever things. but pretty easy for me to extrapolate the version where the customer does it. probably just a variation of this. At the same time, I give them kudos for really taking this seriously and finding some unique things, and making it into the possible miracle category. So I will start performing it. But won't buy the new video. This isn't my first pre new year "magic" sized upgrade hehe.
Johannes Mengel Regular user Estonia 124 Posts	Posted: Dec 30, 2025 01:20 pm 1 I just showed the whole routine and the methods to Cyril, this is what he had to say: “GENUINELY THE BEST IMPROMPTU BORROWED CAN ROUTINE I’VE SEEN!” I will update you once I hear back from people who have actually seen the method and share their thoughts with you! www.BREAKTHROUGHTRICK.com "ONE OF THE GREATEST CLOSE-UP ILLUSIONS EVER CREATED!" - Vanishing Inc "Genuinely the best borrowed can routine I’ve seen." - Cyril "The Breakthrough System is one of the cleverest, most amazing uses of sleight of hand, spectator management, and just plain creativity, I have seen in a long time." - Chris Kenner “One of the best magic tricks I’ve seen in decades!” - Adam Wilber “The best impromptu trick I’ve ever seen." - Craig Petty "The Breakthrough System is the final word on this effect. Johannes Mengel won!" - Mark Elsdon
peacegroovy New user 37 Posts	Posted: Dec 31, 2025 04:22 am 1 I'm intrigued and would love to sign up, but I'm getting a "this site cannot be reached". Anyone else getting this message?
peacegroovy New user 37 Posts	Posted: Dec 31, 2025 04:25 am 1 Please disregard my last comment. Just tried it with another wifi and it worked! After reading through this post, I'm sold and I'm hoping for the best with this purchase!
elierfr Loyal user 205 Posts	Posted: Dec 31, 2025 10:50 am 1 Hi, What is the difference between this new trick and the old one you've done 11 years ago : Thanks
Johannes Mengel Regular user Estonia 124 Posts	Posted: Dec 31, 2025 02:43 pm 0 Quote: On Dec 31, 2025, elierfr wrote: Hi, What is the difference between this new trick and the old one you've done 11 years ago : Thanks The new product - The Breakthrough System (TBS) allows you to do things, which are not possible with ANY of the previous releases in the plot - mine or others. And it’s not just “a trick”, it’s a system- TBS is a combination of several methods, which could have been their own separate releases, but because they work so beautifully together it made sense to put them all into this one massive project that allows you to perform absolutely impossible multi-phase routines. Here’s a quick overview of what TBS brings to the table: 1. You get FOUR versions to perform this effect with NOTHING but just ONE NORMAL CAN and a tab from the same can! So the effect is completely self-contained - all you need is one can, ANY can! 2. I will teach you FOUR gimmicked versions which makes your performance super visual and easy! 3. You get several versions to perform the effect IN THE SPECTATOR’S HANDS. 4. You get full multi-phase routines that turn “a trick” into a “show”. In total there are I think 15 versions. So it’s massive! Let me know if you have more questions! Johannes www.BREAKTHROUGHTRICK.com "ONE OF THE GREATEST CLOSE-UP ILLUSIONS EVER CREATED!" - Vanishing Inc "Genuinely the best borrowed can routine I’ve seen." - Cyril "The Breakthrough System is one of the cleverest, most amazing uses of sleight of hand, spectator management, and just plain creativity, I have seen in a long time." - Chris Kenner “One of the best magic tricks I’ve seen in decades!” - Adam Wilber “The best impromptu trick I’ve ever seen." - Craig Petty "The Breakthrough System is the final word on this effect. Johannes Mengel won!" - Mark Elsdon
elierfr Loyal user 205 Posts	Posted: Dec 31, 2025 03:18 pm 1 Thanks for your answer
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