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Swami Bill
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Greetings -

Is anyone out there doing an Indian Cups & Balls routine? If so, how did you develop your routine? What kind of cups and balls are you using? Where can I go to get more information, history as well as routines, moves & patter, on this effect?

Thanks,

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Jim Morton
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I don't do the Indian Cups and Balls, but I do know that Johnny Thompson and Charlie Miller discuss it on one of the Greater Magic series video tapes. You might want to check it out.

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I do perform the Indian/Hindu cups and balls.

I have a set of Tayade turned wooden Indian style cups that were made in the late 60’s. I used to perform an Eddie Joseph routine (from his book “Hindu Cups”) but moved to a version of the published (in Genie) Charlie Miller routine. The Miller routine uses 10 balls of different sizes.

I know that Pete Brio has a nice routine out that uses a metal cup that almost looks like a sherbet desert cup. I believe that the routine and props are still available (from Stevens Magic?). It is a good, well thought out routine using fewer balls than the Miller routine.

Probably the least expensive way to start is by buying the Morrissey magic (Canada) spun metal set. The set comes with the Miller routine and all the balls needed to perform the routine.

A rather nice set is presently being sold on the Ron Allisi web site. It is turned from an exotic Cambodian wood.

If you have a nice routine you could go buy three biscuit cutters and add drawer pulls to them and have a very serviceable set for less than $10.00 USD)! Mine have lasted for years. I learned the Joseph routine on a homemade set. I didn’t bother to buy a “professional” set until I had a routine down and knew that I was going to perform it regularly. The balls I used were cork floats bought from a fishing tackle store.

Well, that is a resource or two and an idea. The Indian or Hindu cups are more difficult to use than the regular cups. It takes plenty of practice to get the moves down and plenty of rehearsal to get the routine set, more so than a standard or regular cup and ball routine.
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That's a lot of great information Mumblepeas.

I've seen a "Hindu" perform them in Vondel Park, Amsterdam. The "Hindu" was really Andrew Elliot, born in Australia. His whole show was excellent and a great lesson in building and working incredibly large audiences. It was a privilege to see him work. Andrew had spent many years in the company of Indian magicians, learning many of the tricks of their craft. If you ever get the chance, make sure and catch his act.
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I have an interesting little 19 page booklet on The Indian Cups & Balls by P.K. Ilango.

This was put out by Supreme Magic in 1983. Well illustrated with 41 clear line drawings.

Worth getting if you can, because it would probably be quite cheap!
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I’ve never seen Andrew Elliot work. I do a bit of traveling and always go out of my way to watch a street performer (that behavior actually cost me a marriage, but that is another story!) especially if the performer is a magician. I’ll keep an eye open for Elliot’s work! Thanks for turning me on to a good performer.

Alan, thanks for the reference. It is one that I don’t even have a note on! Since you are a “retired magician” if you ever want to get rid of it let me know. By the way, how does one retire from magic? Isn’t magic a lifestyle rather than a profession?
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Swami Bill
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Thanks for the great info everyone.

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Payne
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I played with these for a while after obtaining a classic Tayade set from a local shop that was going under. It was a great investment as they have increased in value over the years.
I never mastered a routine with them as I could never palm the balls in the somewhat strange manner that is required and my legs kept falling asleep from sitting in the Indian style fashion which is required to do them traditionally.
Some books I found that might be useful are

The Hindu Cups by Eddie Joseph published by Abbotts

Indian Cups and Balls Primer by Sam Dalal Published by M/s Mamdev and Sons Ltd in Calcutta

There is also a section in Swami/Mantra (recently re-issued by Kaufman press)on the effect by Les Greenhalgh on page 121 or the July 1974 issue if you are fortunate enough to have the original issues
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