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magicinsight Inner circle 4293 Posts |
Everything is balance. Mind and matter. Rocks and scissors. Water and scotch.
Best regards, MI P.S. Can't wait to see the rocks.
“Belief matters more than truth. Every moment, belief in imaginary things alters lives while truth sits unnoticed and waits.”
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johne Special user 960 Posts |
You mean Scotch and Soda... I have that trick!
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James Watkins Elite user 412 Posts |
Ya know, I come to the conclusion that people will stray away from this because it is NEW. They are somewhat afraid of change. Well, all I can say is it doesn't matter who performs it; that is just silly to say that.
Isn't this about your audience? Not about "Which magician or mentalist is performing this one?" Is there really any reason he should not release it? I believe it was Sven who said "Is it really necessary with more material on this? " Well, look at the torn-and-restored card. Literally HUNDREDS of them, but why the constant releases? Because newer ones were mostly IMPROVEMENTS of the old. I know that is why I release Phoenix Rising. Well, in my opinion, this one is one of the BEST if not THE best bend I have ever seen. All in all, I am sure I will love this. Morgan is a good friend, so I congratulate him with open arms. Great job, Morgan! Later, James Watkins |
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johne Special user 960 Posts |
My opinion is this: a lot of people have been studying mentalism for quite some time---strictly mentalism. They may also have been performing it for quite some time. My opinions are based more on the fact I'd like to see people well versed in the art and who have also been lead contributors for quite some time still see the interest they deserve. That is my biased opinion for still trying to steer those people in that direction.
I am sure this new material is going to be killer, as it is cleary shown on his demos. His bending looks fabulous, I won't deny it. He surely has some outstanding methods to teach to all, and deserves to get his ideas out there to better us all. However, bending has sort of been one of those semi-protected skills that you really don't see every day. I was glad to learn it. What I'm afraid us seeing is people jumping in and buying this DVD and finding out the methodology, then realizing they can't do it. With the subtle bends I have learned there really isn't too much sleight-of-hand involved. If I hear anyone ask, "Isn't that just sleight-of-hand?", I can answer, "If I was using sleight of hand, I'd be bending the !@#@ out of this stuff!" |
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Titanas V.I.P. 1995 Posts |
Could anyone understand anything from the demo? Wouldn't be better if we knew what we will buy before we buy it? Isn't it why they made this demo from the first place?
I couldn't see any of the actual bendings on the demo. Whenever I see a well-edited video that doesn't really show what it supposes to advertise, I become a bit skeptical.
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James Watkins Elite user 412 Posts |
Johnie, thanks for posting that, and I do see where you are going with it. It is much respected.
I myself love metal bending. I do not choose to present it as a magic act, but raw mentalism. I know for a FACT Morgan's is REAL WORLD USABLE---10,000 performances in Vegas, good enough for me. Morgan is not a wannabe, he is the real deal, and I know this, which is why I will be one of the first buyers. I've seen enough in the demo to know that this is going to be good, no, excuse me, GREAT. I hope Morgan speaks up on this. Just to let you know, I will go to bat for this. Later, James |
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Zach Allen Elite user 466 Posts |
I haven't watched the demo video yet, but a reason why they don't show the actual bend on camera could be for the following reason:
Most bends, at least the ones I know of, require some misdirection in order to bend the thing. Cameras are not easy to misdirect. Therefore, metal bending demo videos usually show just the bend, which is what you will see at the end of the effect and, if you do it right, what the spectator will see you create. Zach
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tophatter Inner circle connecticut 3328 Posts |
I ordered The Melting Fork from Mainstreet Magic Co.a while back. This gimmicked fork is really cool. I then read a negative review on this product. Does anyone else have this fork? Really well made---nice and shinny! Works like a charm.
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bekralik Inner circle Canada 1349 Posts |
Zach, exactly.
You know it's an ungimmicked fork, you know what it looks like before, and you know what it looks like after. All the in-between stuff is what you pay for and shouldn't be demoed or everyone will reverse-engineer the idea. It's not suspicious. Brian |
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James Watkins Elite user 412 Posts |
Zach Allen, you read my mind.
James |
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Vie New user 4 Posts |
I think it's important to remember that most laypeople see only a few magic/mentalism performances in their lifetimes. Of these maybe one if any are close-up. Therefore, when "all" the people are performing a single effect, in this case this particular fork bend, the effect is only associated with you. A layperson is unlikely to associate this effect with any other performer.
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James Watkins Elite user 412 Posts |
Exactly. A spectator could care less if you are a magician or a mentalist, and who all is performing this and that. When they see that piece of metal bend, everything they thought couldn't possibly exist, slaps them in their face. So what if hundred's perform this, who cares? Not a spectator.
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Daegs Inner circle USA 4291 Posts |
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So what if hundred's perform this, who cares? Not a spectator. They might not care, but when a seasoned mentalist has to walk up to a group, and starts to bend, and they all exclaim "oh my nephew does little magic tricks, he does that too, he just bends it when you aren't looking", I'm sure that mentalist cares. Now, if the performer is good enough, he can still fry those people with good methods and presenation, just like you can use a TT to vanish a silk if you are good enough.... But that doesn't make the mass-exposure/selling of TT's(or metal bending) correct. Now I'm just playing devil's advocate, because I do like this DVD and the release of it, and hope more *serious* students get into metal bending. I just don't approve of the way penguin thrust everything onto beginners that can't appriciate magic as the new hottest thing. |
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ThomasBerger Special user 593 Posts |
In my opinion, you are missing the point if you think a lot of people will be doing this.
Most magicians do not have the nerve to do this. Bending means bending when no-one is looking. That's why it's bizarre people are complaining the tape is edited. It's naive to expect otherwise. Even Geller was caught on film. Of course it's going to be edited. You are paying for the choreography and audience management. Camera's don't get misdirected because of the field of view. To me this is common sense. You need a lot of nerve and audience management. Most magicians do self working effects. And the sleight of hand guys can't practise this in front of a mirror either. Audience managerment means real world. So that leaves out 90% of the magicians. My prediction is not even 1 in 50 magicians will even try this let alone master it once they realise there isn't a self working gimmick behind it. And the few that learn it-- remember, most laypeople never see a magician close-up. So what's the big deal? Cheers. Tom |
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James Watkins Elite user 412 Posts |
Tom, I agree with everything you said. I guess you can say that I am more of a magician than a mentalist, but something I have worked very hard at in every performance is audience management, so bending is something I would perform as a mentalist feat.
Daegs, the way I look at it is this... Even if their nephew does this, if you have the guts to do it in the real world, then you should have it perfected. So even if they did catch their nephew, nothing is stopping YOU from frying them. I do see where you are coming from, and it is a valid point, but there will always, no matter who releases it, be that one person who blows it. So even if they did catch their nephew, then the skilled performer should do it flawlessly, and they will not even think of that.. Later, James Watkins |
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Daegs Inner circle USA 4291 Posts |
James, that's what I meant with the part I wrote about:
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Now, if the performer is good enough, he can still fry those people with good methods and presenation, just like you can use a TT to vanish a silk if you are good enough.... Anyway, I never said that a pro couldn't overcome it, just pointing out that it does suck when an effect your were/are going to do it ruined because that person had it shoved upon them at a magic shop or mall kiosk. |
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
[quote]On 2004-08-06 16:17, JamesW wrote:
Well, in my opinion, this one is one of the BEST if not THE best bend I have ever seen. All in all, I am sure I will love this. Morgan is a good friend, so I congratulate him with open arms. Great job, Morgan! JamesW, no disrespect, but what I'm looking for isn't 'good friends' of the advertiser, but life long enemies who want him hung, drawn and quartered, yet still say: "this is the best I have ever seen". When writing a crit on someone I feel it's a good idea to always temporarily ditch the friendship.You get my meaning? later.
Bob Burns is the creator of The Swan.
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James Watkins Elite user 412 Posts |
Well, I see what you are saying, but I am a brutally honest person. If he wasn't my friend I would say this as well. Even if he wasn't a friend my view would be the same. If you knew me, you would know that friendship has no meaning when I am reviewing an effect. But, seeing as Morgan is my friend, I offer him more congrats on this. And if you are looking for people like that, I doubt you will find very very few. Morgan is a very good person, and that is one reason I respect him. But once again, friendship has nothing to do with what I said about Liquid Metal. I still stand by what I said about it maybe being the best bend to come out yet.
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Jaymz023 Veteran user Midwest 356 Posts |
I e-mailed Morgan some questions the other day-and he responded with this--
Hey Lance, Liquid Metal Is exclusive to Penguin Magic they will be the only DEALER to carry it. It is supposed to be released by the end of this month! It is VERY practical for close up. It is my working routine that I perform every night in Vegas. I leave nothing out! Its a great audience piece that uses ALOT of participation. The fork can be examined before during and after the routine. There are no angle problems at all and there is nothin to ditch. The audience can keep the fork! Plus the DVD has 25 minutes of uncut Live performances so you can see how I handle and manage the audience in different situations. Hope this helps if you have any futher questions please feel free to ask! Thank you for your intrest in Liquid Metal, Morgan So, after reading that, this is on my "To Get" list for sure.
Creator of "Re-Attached" an easy piece by piece Torn and Restored card routine.
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Elmsley4 Regular user 101 Posts |
It's amazing people would want to SEE the bending before buying the dvd. That's the same as wanting to read a magic book before buying it. I have seen people do double lifts from a mile away, and others who look beautiful.
It has been my opinion there is quite a big difference in mind-set between the hobbiest and the semi-pro / professional. Let me explain: I have seen a professional WOW people with a shell. At the same time, I have heard / seen hobbiests say: "Wait... is THAT all there is to it?" There's a big difference between doing magic for yourself / friends, and being paid to enterain, where the magic is for your audience. I feel comfortable betting if you give any STRONG pro out there, ANY trick (scotch & soda, stripper deck, ball & vase, etc...) they will be able to get plenty of reaction and performance mileage from it. Just my rant, tomorrow I might rave . P.S. If buying the dvd makes you happy, I think you should go for it. The worst that happens is you sell it or trade it, take your loss, and buy something else. |
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