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Joshua J Inner circle 1680 Posts
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Available from https://www.vanishingincmagic.co.uk/ment......e-paths/
Currently priced at intro price before it goes up. I'd wrote my review up for Vanishing Inc, but as ever I went over the word count, so I'll test your patience of whether you can be bothered to read my uncut initial thoughts. So Taha takes issue with multiple outs having outs that aren't on display at the start of the routine. This is one of the main issues he talks about wanting to overcome at the start of the video. The routines are aimed at having everything on display and dropping enough breadcrumbs that at the end the audience feels that the routine couldn't have gone any other way. To break it down by routines: 3 balls is a quick effect given to demonstrate his ideas. It's a fun enough little effect, a quick little thing to demonstrate the sort of thing you will be doing. Taha's main objective is wanting to have the outs all on display during the routine. This overcomes his main objection to hidden outs being brought in, but at the trade off that nothing can be inspected. If the breadcrumbs have been dropped effectively people may not see other possibilities, but as I mainly perform to drunks and teenagers (not drunk teenagers, two separate parts of my life) I know they will want to look at the cards. I've tried the close up version twice and had the request to check parts both times. With good audience management I could overcome this, move on, but I was interested in whether they really wouldn't see any other possibilities as Taha suggested. But this was only intended as a quick effect to outline his ideas for the project. A stage version is given, but I can’t see myself using that as I rarely work stage anymore, but the time could be spent on more impactful routines. 2 as 1 is a thought of card routine. The routine makes use of two cards under the guise of having forgotten you've not got a full deck to find the card you want. It's got issues with how that presents you. Particularly if you are a mentalist who does memory demonstrations. It raises questions of why you didn't just pick another card. Taha talks about how you've got 24 outs from his ploy here, but I only count 12. I might be wrong, but it's that sort of aspect that makes it not feel fully developed. Then the out if the card is red is the thing he initially complains about at the start of the explanation to this trick, so he disses other versions of the trick for using a method he then uses. He does place the move at a better point in the routine than where it is often done. On the positive side it’s got some nice discussion of how he psychologically forces people to try and get the best outcome possible. It's not something I could see myself using in a formal setting but potentially as a casual piece when borrowing a deck. Imaginary deck is another thought of card. A way to equivoke your way down to one card. It’s got some nice scripting ideas for how the process goes. This for me was one of the stronger routines because of the scripting. The ending will sometimes fall back on hidden outs, the thing Taha was trying to avoid, but with the scripting and the likely choices people will make, this will probably be less often. There is an idea for having two multiple outs on one side of paper. I’m not sure whether this is great or terrible. On initial viewing it looks like something anyone would question, but I’m interested enough to give it a try. Life choices has some interesting ideas around using the one ahead with multiple outs. You get two performance videos where you see on the first performance a spectator who is responsive and reacts positively. The second performance the spectator is pretty unresponsive. When Taha uses his cold reading techniques the spectator pretty much just states no, no, to each line of fishing inquiry. Then at the end it receives a polite smile in response to the final revelation. It looks like relief to be able to go back to his seat. This was quite refreshing to see on a purchased product. Rather than just seeing how a routine works when you get a perfect spectator you see what happens when it’s a bit limp. This happens to all of us at times. We all get unresponsive participants, so it’s not a criticism of Taha. But, it would have been nice to see discussion around how this could have been overcome or developed further, but the fact that it was included got me thinking of how I’d tackle it which was good food for thought. The video finishes with a short description of how you can use his techniques to make your own routines. He gives two examples, a Pokemon routine and an idea for picking a car for if you were doing a tv appearance (only requires you to have 4 cars, talk about additional purchases beyond the download). I would have preferred this section was longer and another routine was cut if time was an issue. I think having a more structured discussion on how you can use the information in the download to make your own routines would have been more useful. Maybe bringing another performer into chat would have added value. Overall, there are some nice scripting ideas. I think you could sum up the project with the meme of the TV show “the good place”. The scene where Eleanor tells Chidi, “you're not getting it. And my thing is different”. Taha continually tells us he has created something new for multiple outs by giving it a new name, but doesn’t really articulate exactly how this system is different from what other people have done before. He uses scripting at the start to sign what the out will be. He does that part well, but it isn’t really new and the continual insistence on referring to it as something new feels a bit disrespectful to the giants that have come before. I am very much a believer in paying our dues and crediting those who came before, so this attitude of claiming something as new came off as a bit egotistical. But that is probably just my personal dislike of downloads that don't credit. That said, there are some nice ideas on the project. The ideas around using multiple outs with the one ahead were interesting and feel like they could be developed more. A lot of his ideas still suffer from one of the common issues with multiple outs. When using multiple outs it is easy to come up with 3 solid outs, but as you get onto 4 or 5 the outs get weaker. So a lot of the routines were stuck at that 3 number. His main issue with a lot of the existing routines was outs not being on display at the start. Taha’s choice is to have them all in play at the start of routines. This is often at the expense of being able to inspect the props at the end. So there will be a personal preference of whether you like this or not. So this was the main negatives of his ideas, the lack of possibilities for higher number of outs and the issues of participants not being able to inspect routines at the end. So if that sounds like an issue for you I wouldn’t get this project. On the positive side there are some good ideas around dropping breadcrumbs and scripting to make it feel like the routine couldn’t have gone any other way. There are a few different ideas given for when you get to a two way out. His ideas around the one ahead were interesting. I don’t feel they are fully developed as far as they can go, but it’s nice food for thought. I bought this on the initial discounted price of £41 pounds. At that price it was ok, at the full price I’d probably recommend buying other people’s work first. There were some nice ideas, there were others that I don’t feel were as well developed as they could be. It’s hard to watch something like this and not compare it to other similar projects. Docc Hilford’s Doccinar on equivoke and Max Maven’s multiplicity being the main ones that come to mind. Hilford’s doccinar discusses the importance of scripting through any routine like this more eloquently. While Max gave many more options for how to use the techniques. I think the fact that multiple outs is sold as a masterclass led to me having an expectation for more and that wasn’t really delivered as there were many more basic areas to discuss around the subject that weren’t tackled. I enjoyed the project, it got me thinking, but I think it has weaknesses. Which any routine does. You trade off where you want the weaknesses to be, but I don’t feel this has the awareness of those to address and discuss ways around. Combined with Taha’s insistence that this is a new approach grated a bit, thus the 3 average 3 star rating out of 5. It’s not terrible, but it’s not the last word on the subject either. |
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SoloDoubleAct Regular user North Carolina 120 Posts
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Thank you very much for this write-up.
Ultimately I passed on the project until reviews like this as I went blindly into his previous, and expensive, cold reading project with VI. I found it to be good but meandering. Overwrought but not as actionable as I wanted. I think a written and simplified component would have helped immensely. This sounds to be a bit similar. Emphasizing "this isn't like other performers" but then kinda reheating the same information with a sprinkle of seasoning and bloviating for so long that ya kinda leave going: "well I guess I learned?" I think the guy is a good performer and I appreciate this being a lot cheaper than the previous project. I feel like there has been lecture inflation though. Previously, based on your review, this sort of thing would have been one routine out of five in a Penguin Live Lecture and I would have left going: Hey that's pretty good and has some ideas, versus (once again based on your review) thinking that was overlong and underwhelming |
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Joshua J Inner circle 1680 Posts
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There is a lot of "meandering" here as well. Really if you cut out the repetition, the discussion of how this is different form other people's the continual claims of it being magician fooler material it would probably be an hour less. Like you say if it was Penguin lecture price you'd buy it and be happy with a few tips. Pricing wise the Penguin lecture is a good comparison. There has been a rise all round with performers upping the price of their material which is fine. It's their choice, but I'm seeing a lot who haven't gone through that process of releasing material at a reasonable price first to prove their worth before upping to what they think they are worth. I didn't mind this, but I wouldn't rush to buy something at the price of the cold reading lecture.
But I do think Taha probably has some good ideas, either he's holding some back for himself, or he don't think he gets them across as well as he could. This could have done with scripting or lecture notes to explain it more eloquently. Time stamps would be helpful for navigation as well as with a 3 hour talk with no chapters or talks it's hard to find routines if uou want to look back. If he's wanting it seeing as something new then it needed to laid out as a system like Hilford's evoque or Quinta, etc where you follow set steps. As it is, it is not really a set thing you could follow, more a stream of consciousness. There are some nice ideas and it got me thinking about some of the multiple out routines I do and I'm looking at refining them which is good, though none of the refinements I'm making are from ideas here. They've come from looking at the faults here and thinking how I could resolve them. With so many of the routines I felt that yes, you could use a multiple out, but in most cases another method would achieve the same cleaner for less effort. Particularly as he has to handle the outs in most cases. Billet work would leave them cleaner. That said, I think he comes across as a good performer and that is part of what carries the routines. He is confident in the methods he's settled on so they are working well for him. It's all a matter of where you want the compromises in a routine to be. |
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Wravyn Inner circle 4311 Posts
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Many thanks to both, Joshua J and SoloDoubleAct. I had looked at perhaps getting these in the near future and you have both given me food for thought.
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Joshua J Inner circle 1680 Posts
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Well chapter divides have now been added, so that's helpful. I didn't get the cold reading project as it was a big asking price for someone I hadn't heard of at that point. Watching this I can't see it being something I'll pick up. It seemed to split opinion with some loving and some being non-plussed.
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252life Inner circle Ninth Circle, Hades 3464 Posts
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On Oct 1, 2026, Joshua J wrote: I picked it up. Go with your gut.. ![]()
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BMWGuy Inner circle Texas 2644 Posts
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Hey guys,
I am back with another review and this. Who is Taha Mansour? A successful mentalist from France, who you might have heard of before, since he released back some time ago a project on cold reading called "Practical Cold Reading." So what is Multiple Paths? a version of being able to do mind reading effects seem effortless What will you learn? Five powerful routines: 3 Balls: A prediction is placed in full view as you present three balls of different colors. Your participant makes completely free choices, yet every single time, the prediction is 100% correct. No switches, no gimmicks, no funny moves. This piece of practical mental magic will fool magicians and lay audiences in just about any venue, even virtually. 2 as 1: Learn Taha Mansour’s take on the classic Mystery Card plot combined with spectator as a mind-reader. Two cards are placed face down on the table. One represents the suit, the other the value. The participant is asked to try to read your mind and name a card. You—or even the participant—immediately turn over the cards to reveal that they were right. This quick routine hits hard and leaves anyone who sees it scratching their head! Imaginary Deck: After talking about group decisions, a ball of crumpled paper is tossed around the audience. Multiple people make choices, only for you to reveal that the ending was written the whole time inside the crumpled paper. Taha regularly uses this as an opener for stage gigs, and we can see why! Life Choices: This may just be the most powerful of the effects in this collection. Divine a thought of an animal that represents the participant, reveal a problem that they’re facing, and predict a final free choice that they’re going to make in the future. If you’re going to learn one piece from this download, this should be it. The 5 Card Trick: With your back turned, a participant thinks of a card from a random five-card packet. After they’ve remembered one, the packet is mixed back into the deck. Not only are you able to divine their card, but you have them read your mind as well! This is a phenomenal piece of mentalism with cards, and you’ll be doing it in no time at all. Here is my overall take/review on this: At first you see Taha talk to the camera, and the systems that he uses in his theatre shows, and close up, and he explains it will be a mixture of different effects, and philosphy, and you will learn how to create your own effects for either close up, parlour, or stage. 3 balls: as explained above: a true magician fooler. he explains that he regularly uses this. explains the method behind the effect. A good starting effect to get the ball rolling. Not sure I will actually use this, but it is nice and simple and particularly good for parlour/close-up. 2 as 1: so I knew about this effect a few years ago, since this was a separate release from both Taha and Ori Asher. I still use this to this day. It is a clever effect that has many moving pieces, and is overall my favorite thing from this project. Heck, one time I even performed it on Christian Grace back in the day, and he liked it a lot. I think this is one of those effects that you will be doing anywhere. this is actually an updated version of the version I learned many years ago. Imaginary Deck: a really great effect for stage as an opener. uses a well known technique in mentalism. easy to do. lots of people will be doing this. Life choices: predicting a symbolic choice 1 out of 3. If you were an animal what would you be. Again, great use of the multiple path system/method. Not sure I would use this, but still good overall. The 5 card trick - this is more up my alley, great! can be used for closeup or parlour. All in all, out of the 5 effects, I believe most people will use at least 1 out of the 5. I personally will use 3 out of the 5 effects. My favorite being 2 as 1, in second place, the 5 card trick, and lastly the imaginary deck. Well worth the $69.95. I am sure most of you will get something out of this project. You will use something from this, I guarantee it. The project is long, and I feel that Taha leaves no stone unturned, and gives you all the tools you need to be successful, whether it be you perform any of the routines from this project. Information: 10/10 Psychology: 10/10 Routines taught: 9/10 Instruction: 10/10 Will I use this: Yes, at least 1 out of the 5 Will people benefit from this: Yes Is it easy to use: 5/10 ------- 1 being really easy and 10 being really hard....I feel like in the middle, depending on the effect you want to use. Some effects are easier than others. Overall score: 9/10 since not all the effects on the project I loved, but I will use at least 1, if not 2 or even 3 of the effects from this project, and people can pick and choose what they want to use. Thanks, Alex Alejandro
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Taha New user 20 Posts
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On Oct 5, 2026, BMWGuy wrote: Hey Alejandro, thank you so much for the review, I'm really glad you enjoyed the project and found use in the different effects. I hope you have fun exploring the different effects, and creating your own effects with the system. Best regards! Taha |
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Taha New user 20 Posts
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On Sep 26, 2026, Joshua J wrote: Hey Joshua, first of all thank you for your interest in the project. I'm glad that you liked some of the ideas in there. As for the insistance of the new approach, and applications of ideas, my goal here was to create a system that would be useable not only to apply principles onto other routines, but to be able to actually create brand new routines. That's why the discussion on the three balls routine and the bonus two routines in the end take time, because I know that one of the things that many performers really enjoyed when I first released a snippet of that project years ago, and when I released the project in French, was the fact that they could come up with their own predictions and routines. I regularly get contacted by performers sharing with me the way they used the 4 steps of multiple paths to create their effect. If you're looking for basic principles on equivoque and multiple realities, then as you said my project might not be the best one. If in your style you make sure everyone always examines your elements, then this indeed is not for you. I wanted to share some routines and a principle that I've been using professionnally for years, and the psychological principles that will make your audience members not even want to check your objects because of how credible what you present is. Apologies if you felt that the content was not to your expectations, but fell free to contact me or to join the facebook group to see how the effects play out in real life scenarios! Cheers! |
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Joshua J Inner circle 1680 Posts
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I think it's probably a matter of experience Taha. Multiple outs are a well worn method within bizarre magic, one of my main areas of interest. Bizarre and storytelling lends itself to scripting the outs so they all feel like they are the only possible outcome. Then the other aspect of stories adding a more engaging presentation. This didn't really cover much on the issue of how to go beyond 3 objects. Within bizarre people have looked at ways to upscale the outs and ways to deal with the issue of outs getting weaker as the number goes up. This didn't really tackle this apart from playing cards which I'll be honest doesn't interest me massively. Just not my taste. If I was coming in fresh to the subject as I beginner I would probably have got more from it. I think beginners may get more from it, but I'd still probably direct to Max Maven and Docc Hilford first for more depth of thinking.
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Maxyedid Inner circle Panama 1035 Posts
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“Multiple Outs” and “Equivoque” are two different things, although they can be combined for sure.
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Joshua J Inner circle 1680 Posts
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On Oct 9, 2026, Maxyedid wrote: The first routine is a multiple out to explain his ideas. Then the other routines use a mix of equivoque and multiple outs. I would say guidelines is probably a more accurate description than system as this isn't something that you can follow in a systematic way of Hilford's evoque or Phil Smith's work on quinta to reach an outcome. It has the feel of one step forward and two steps back in a lot of the routines. Taha's focus is on having the outs on display at the start, but it loses many of the advantages of much of the work on multiple outs that has come before. Multiple outs feel very fair and in many cases you can step back and instruct from a distance getting the participant to open, turn over, etc the reveal. Whereas as this loses that with the outs needing to be under the control of the performer in many cases I felt like other methods would serve better in many cases. To give an analogy, you could use a one way deck for many card routines. It would work, but it would create restrictions. This is kind of the same. It will work, but it feels limiting in ways other options aren't. As the performer has to handle the out in many cases an index and Ostin clip with John Riggs ideas feels like a fairer way to achieve the same results. Or else superior results as you widen the outs, the prediction is with the participant for the routine and it ends cleaner. Don't get me wrong all the routines will work and I'm sure they work great for Taha. Routines you create yourself tend to. You have confidence in them and they suit your own preferences, but I found myself thinking I'd rather tackle them other ways and I think other experienced performers will probably find the same. There are some nice tips within each routine, but I think this is the sort of project people will take elements from each routine and may apply ideas elsewhere rather than perform as is. |
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Maxyedid Inner circle Panama 1035 Posts
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Your review is very good, thank you
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