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RandyWakeman
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There has been an ongoing discussion about passes.


Check out:

http://www.harveyrosenthal.com

Do your passes look that good?
pwagorn
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geez. i love that stuff. about as close to transcending into 'real' magic as it gets! Smile
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The only pass there I like is the Square Up pass. The others "Like Very Fair Pass" are not so good because the audience could 'very fairly' suspect something is fishy.

Randy, do you think the Square Up Pass he is doing is actually cutting the deck? It still puzzles me.
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yes, i agree - the rest are suspect, but that square up pass is great... does anyone have a source for it?
RandyWakeman
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Harvey welcomes e-mails right on the same page . . .
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I never got a reply when e-mailed...
RandyWakeman
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After waiting how many days for a reply?
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Quote:
On 2002-08-08 03:38, RandyWakeman wrote:
After waiting how many days for a reply?


It's been about 2 weeks or so.. he's probably a busy guy, or quite possibly my message wasn't received. I complemented him on his card handling skills and asked him if he would be willing to share where he got the handling for that pass from.

Maybe some other people will have more success.
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wow Smile the square up pass was amazing
Mark Ennis
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I have witnessed Harvey perform the passes in person and although he may not respond to e-mails, he can do many passes and he does them very well.
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I don't understand any of these passes. I do the turnover pass, the classic pass, and thinking about the spread pass.

I use misdirection for all of them and would not consider doing otherwise because mine don't look like harvey's (or any of those i see on clips).

I use the classic pass when I want the spectator to think I'm doing nothing with the deck. That's the only time I use it.

I also only respect the clips to a certain degree becuause they don't ever show any angle except the "best one".

I use a deep break for the pass but i'm wondering if this is bad practice. should I back off and practice with a smaller one if i'm going to get better. I also do not curl my first finger on top of the deck as some recommend. does this matter?

I also think that muscle training is essential for speed.

so I guess what i'm wondering is this. These good passes that I see, are they as good as they look because of a speed factor, e.g., you don't see it because it's fast?

Or is it more of using the right angles at the right time.

some of these look too good to be true. I'm impressed.

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Magic333
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The square up pass was amazing!
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yeah, the square up was good. there is some nice card work there. Smile Smile
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yeah, the square up was good. there is some nice card work there. Smile Smile
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I really liked Ammar's thoughts on the pass.

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Others, however, see the pass as a 'rite of passage'. This type of magician doesn't see the pass as a tool, but as a way of distinguishing those who are 'really serious' from those who are not. So this magician works on the pass for different reasons. Having invested the time to put this move into his own repertoire, he then tries to establish the pass as THE ONE MOVE that PROVES he is a REAL magician.

The bottom line: if the magic you want to perform requires you use the pass, then you can, and should, master the pass. But remember what makes the pass invisible isn't speed alone - it depends on the mind just as much as it does on the eyes.

A lot of guys use the Classic Pass to control one card - which is like using a sledge hammer to kill a fly. Why move all 52 cards to get the one? I much prefer the Hofzinser Spread Control, because you only move the one card, and use the other 51 cards as cover.


The rest of his article is here for those who want to read the whole thing...


http://www.ammarmagic.com/shoul.html
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I love seeing the pass performed so well. Harvey's look great. I've been wrangling with it for sometime, but only use it under cover of misdirection. Just not strong enough with it at the moment to do it "burning". Love the move though.
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