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jezza
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Ive already looked up on the subject of double lifts that is posted above before I get told off.
I would like some advice on the strike double lift and its technique.I think I have the correct method just from toying with the cards and what I do is a bevel the cards very slightly with right thumb and with a light touch turn two cards over with the right hand.I am not really sure of this is a strike double or not ?If it is should it be fast slow? it seems to look pretty natural .
Ive come to the conclusion I dislike using the jennings snap double get ready (i feel its just as unatural as using thumb to get a break) and feel its time for a more natural multiple lift to add to my arsenal of sleights
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Provided that you meant you bevel the deck with the left thumb (and not the right), it sounds like you're doing some form of the strike double lift. Without getting into a debate about how "natural" any strike lift is, let me warn you about a few common tells.

I very frequently see the double flare apart at the outer right corner when people do this lift. Needless to say, that's bad. When I do a strike double from the right side of the deck, I usually provide downward pressure on the outer right corner with the tip of my left fore-finger. This allows me to strike the double without all the flaring. Derek Dingles double lift (from his Complete Works) also solves this problem by striking at the outer right corner for a stud-style lift.

I also like Paul Wilson's "hit and pinch" technique. It can be found in a PDF available on his website. Makes the technique look a little less "frozen" in my opinion. I think it looks very disarming, but that could just be me.

J. Tank has a killer tip on the strike double that helps eliminate any fumbling. You don't want to miss the double and have to go back for a second take. It was shown to me by a buddy of mine, so I'm afraid I can't point you to a source. Search google for "'j. tank' strike double" and you should find it.

One last bit would be to note that the strike double can look a little "funny", so do what you can to be consistent when turning over single cards and double cards.

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jezza
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Thanks very helpful, I think I am doing it right then holding the deck in dealers grip pushing with left thumb and deck slightly bevelling and with a light touch feeling 2 card with 1st and 2nd finger in middle of card and then turning over (its looks exactly the way I would turn over a card if I wasnt doing sleight) its very frustrating though (its not hard too do but hard to be accurate 10 out of 10 times eg not turn 3
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Jezza, if it looks right, feels right, then do it.
Sounds like you have a method that works for you (I like the strike, too).

Practice will make you accurate. By the way, grabbing 3 isn't bad. You want to be able to feel the difference and you will also want to turn triples and even fourths in some tricks.

My practice is to take a deck and turn one, two, three, four, three, two, one over and over again.
You will see that you quickly become sensitive to the number of cards you are turning.
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Blindbo that is a very good way to practice doubles.

When I used a "strike" double in the past, I would let my left thumb go for the ride as the card is pulled over by the right hands fingertips. This way it kinda looks like the left thumb is pushing over the top card.

Now I concentrate on a Ron Bauer double.
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Can a manuscript be bought from Mr Bauer's site that contains instructions on his double, and if so, what is the name of the booklet?

I have a couple of his booklets and they're great.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems a good strike double is a combination of a push of two cards with left thumb followed by a light take with the right hand in a smooth flowing action (and to feel the amount with right fingers eg 2 cards 3 etc)
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Vernon hated the Strike Double. Upon listening to him and his reasons ,I abandoned it. I currently use Daryl's DL with great success and looks very clean.
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On 2004-08-24 17:22, jezza wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems a good strike double is a combination of a push of two cards with left thumb followed by a light take with the right hand in a smooth flowing action (and to feel the amount with right fingers eg 2 cards 3 etc)

I don't believe 2 cards are meant to be pushed with your left thumb. The advantage of the strike is to go down with your finger and feel for two cards without the get ready. I experimented with the fake push of the top "single card" to the right as I pulled with the right fingers, but it didn't seem to bring much to the party.

Blindbo, great idea about practicing through various multiple card turns!
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So it's more of a bevel of the deck and feel for the amount of cards?? I've been toying with the bevel and feel for 2 cards with a light touch and also a kind of push off two cards and lifting ?
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LeConte was kind enough to offer this post in this area concerning DL's.

http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......=2&0
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Yes, I was kind enough to put that thread together for the Café. I hint very strongly about the Ron Bauer double throughout the thread and at the end I tell people that in a nutshell, that they should begin to study the Bauer TTT.

It is true, Dai Vernon hated the strike double, and openly states this on his Revelations series.

For many magicians however, this is a very effective style of double.
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The Derek Dingle double is a strike method which gives an illusion it's a push-off.

The thumb simulates pushing over the cards.
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On 2004-08-25 03:52, LeConte wrote:

It is true, Dai Vernon hated the strike double, and openly states this on his Revelations series.



Well, he says he never gave it much thought.. It was Leipzig who hated it. Smile

Euan Smile
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Thanks for all the great replies (very helpful) I couldn't resist in the end and downloaded the vid teach in from youdomagic.com and I'm pleased to say it confirmed I am doing it right (i just need practise to ensure right amount of cards 100 percent of the time now) I have the technique right though.Its a weird one as its actually not as hard as I thought as for some reason the strike double lift sounds like some killer hard to do sleight
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On 2004-08-25 12:32, Euan wrote:
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On 2004-08-25 03:52, LeConte wrote:

It is true, Dai Vernon hated the strike double, and openly states this on his Revelations series.




Well, he says he never gave it much thought.. It was Leipzig who hated it. Smile

Euan Smile


Vernon goes off with consideral venom about Daly's Strike Double. I don't know any other way to describe it.
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As said before, grabbing for two cards from the right inner corner looks terrible. I saw the strike double and played around with it. I now use it as the double lift I always use. I've seen some people have trouble keeping the cards square as they are turned over, I found that if you just hold the deck in straddle grip (this may sound weird, but it works great), they are automatically square when you turn over. Beveling the deck really makes feeling for two cards a lot easier. I commonly can feel that the cards are too thick and I have 3, you can very easily just let one go with the right middle finger. As said before, you should practice feeling for 2 cards.
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Two great write up's for the d-lift are in the classic books - The card magic Of LePaul by Paul LePaul and the Dai Vernon Book of magic....

I hope this helps...
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On 2004-08-24 17:22, jezza wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems a good strike double is a combination of a push of two cards with left thumb followed by a light take with the right hand in a smooth flowing action (and to feel the amount with right fingers eg 2 cards 3 etc)


You are almost describing Bro. John Hamman's Double lift, which is described in Kaufman's Secrets of Bro. John Hamman
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Tilt the deck a little and just feel two cards. I cant explain it clearly in words because I can't illustrate it but that's pretty much how I do it.. Pick it from the side.. Smile
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