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amccrawford
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I use the Aronson stack regularly, but am very interested in the staystack stuff built into that Tamariz stack. Does anyone have experience of learning a second stack? Is confusion between them a problem?

Note: Michael Skinner is the author I've read who has mentioned using more than one stack, but he doesn't discuss the potential problem of confusion between them.
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Check this out!
I hope this one could help...
http://www.stackview.com./download.htm
thanks to nick pudar Smile
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I'm convinced that it can't be too bad to learn. I'm still the stage with the Aronson stack where I need to use the mnemonics in order to recall position. The human mind is capable of so much, yet we are silly enough to find a task like memorizing 1 or 2 decks of cards daunting (no offense). Think of how much knowledge you have stored in your head - really, is it going to be THAT hard to memorize another system, and not mix it up with the Aronson stack? I don't think so.

At least that's what I hope, 'cause I'm going to try the exact same thing!
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I used to use the Aronson, and switched to the Tamariz recently. I can tell you most of the features of the Tamariz and Aronson are the same except each has it's one or two that make it different (such as Tamariz you can shuffle into from new deck order, Aronson's doesn't. Aronson's has the ability to spell to the 10-15th (or whatever) cards in the stack, and the Tamariz doesn't). I'm only using the Tamariz now and the only time I get confused is on cards 6,7,8, but that's just me. Since the two stacks are very different, it's not difficult to tell them apart.
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There's no need to learn a second stack, because EVERY memorized stack has stay stack capabilities built in. For more information on stay stack stuff with memorized decks check Simon Aronson's chapter "Memorized Math" in his book "The Aronson Approach".
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I use the Aronson stack on Mondays and Thursdays.

I use the Tamariz stack on Tuesdays and Fridays.

I use the Nikola stack on Wednesdays and Saturdays.

Sunday is my day of rest.
"One arrow. One life."
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John, how do you remember on which day to use which stack? Do you have that recorded in your PalmPilot? Smile
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I don't work with a stacked deck. If I am doing a poker deal I will use a cull or a stack to stack the hands. Or I will get the hands I need together while I do an effect - then after that effect I have the hands that I can arrange for the poker deal.

In other words I like to set up as I go and under fire.

That is the way I like to work...
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If you don't make exercises or don`t work with them constantly,you will have a big probality to make confusion betwen the 2 stacks.

So,after you learn the 2 stacks,work changing everyday to one stack to other, and always doing exercises.
Doing this you will not have problems.
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I can't even remember my phone number... Smile
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Larry,

I've had this stack/day cue tattooed onto my left palm.
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On 2004-09-09 01:48, Pete Biro wrote:
I can't even remember my phone number... Smile


Pete,

I avoided learning a memorized deck for the longest time because I was too lazy to put in the required time and because I know I have a poor short-term memory. I figured if I couldn't even remember someone's 7-digit telephone number, there was no way I'd be able to remember the position of 52 cards. I was wrong. For me, Martin Joyal's Six-Hour Memorized Deck was the answer (it took me less than 6 hours to memorize and a bit more time to feel comfortable with it).

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On 2004-09-08 04:51, Uli Weigel wrote:
There's no need to learn a second stack, because EVERY memorized stack has stay stack capabilities built in.


Uli, Thanks for your point.

I agree completely that any memorised deck can be used as a stay stack for location effects.

However, there are matching effects (such as Marlo’s “Matching Routine” in Faro Controlled Miracles), where the pairs in the stay stack need to be mates that are evident to the audience, rather than just a pairing that the magician can see or calculate.

It is these matching effects inherent in the stay stack that interest me more than location effects.
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I've recently purchased Boris Wild's book on marking cards. He has a chapter in it on his own stack (yes - another stack). I've simply taken his marking technique and applied it to my Aronson Stacked deck. I'm playing around now with using a stacked and marked stripper deck (Marlo used to play around with a roughed and smoothed stripper deck).
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On 2004-09-09 00:05, Brazilian wrote:
If you don't make exercises or don`t work with them constantly,you will have a big probality to make confusion betwen the 2 stacks.


This is only if he works with both stacks (which I see no use in). I would just say, memorize the Tamariz, if you don't like it, then don't use it. Just stick to the Aronson, which you still will have memorized if you memorize the Tamariz.
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Have you tried the Hay Stack?
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Top Hat...I haven't tried the Hay Stack, but I've tried the Henway.

Two stacks memorized sounds interesting. After the buzz on the Tamariz stack, I'm interested in learning it too. I like the Joyal stack rules-based method because my brain works that way. Mnemonics doesn't work as well for me. But, by using two different methods of memorization, one rules-based and the other mnemonics, I bet I could separate the two. It would be interesting to share which successes and obstacles you all experience with two stacks memorized by two different methods.

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I've memorized three stacks with no problems, but that's just me...

1. Aronson's "A stack to remember"

2. "Eight kings chased" (my first, obviously..never use it) Smile

3. My own tetradistic stack

The way that I learned each of these is by placing the cards in order, then writing the number of the cards on the back AND on the front of the cards (e.g.-top card is marked with "1" on f/b, second card with "2", etc.).
I then take the cards one at a time, turning them end over end, repeating out loud, "One, jack of spades...Two, king of clubs...", etc. several times for each card.

I then make up a deck with the numbers only on the face of the cards and do the same, then I make up a deck with the numbers only on the backs and try to name the card before it is flipped end for end. This seems like a very tedious process, but it works!

I love working with memorized decks! There is so much you can accomplish with a memdeck that you can't with a shuffled deck. I am very excited about Juan Tamariz's new book, and his stack will be the next one I will learn...
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On 2004-09-09 16:01, David Ranalli wrote:
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On 2004-09-09 00:05, Brazilian wrote:
If you don't make exercises or don`t work with them constantly,you will have a big probality to make confusion betwen the 2 stacks.


This is only if he works with both stacks (which I see no use in)....


Just a suggetion of use if you have in your mind the Aronson and the Tamariz stack:

Starting with the Aronson stack,you can perform some tricks that don't destroy the stack and works with any memorized deck,then proceed with tricks that only works with the Aronson stack,ending with a trick that destroy the stack. Then you make a deck switch(changing for the Tamariz Stack)and make the same cicle that I said with the Aronson stack.
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If you're using the Arronson stack, just apply the new knowledge gained from Tamariz to that stack.
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