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enriqueenriquez Inner circle New York 1287 Posts	Posted: Sep 11, 2004 02:01 am 0 Even when I wholeheartedly agree with Paul (Drwilson) on this, I wonder if there is any relationship between the fact that people doesn’t remember any magician’s name, and the eternal repetition of the same tricks.
Whit Haydn V.I.P. 5449 Posts	Posted: Sep 11, 2004 09:19 am 0 What are the "newer" effects? David Blaine made a sensation with a bunch of old and off the shelf magic tricks that most magicians gave up doing before they were thirteen. The ashes on the arm? Old hat. Kid stuff. The rising card? Available in any Vegas hotel magic shop. It is not the age of the trick, it is finding a way to make it seem new, and to make the audience like it one more time. To be different from the other performers in your area, just look for old tricks that no one is doing anymore... There are books and magazines filled with them. Remember, the chances are still very good that you will be the first real magician the majority of your audience has ever seen. Pop Haydn's 21st Century Website Pop's Magic Shop Pop's Soapbox Sphere of Destiny Cleopatra's Sphere of Destiny Magnetized Water Pop Explains Magnetic Water Magnetic Water Warning!
Werner G. Seitz Inner circle 3131 Posts	Posted: Sep 11, 2004 09:51 am 0 Quote: On 2004-09-11 05:19, whithaydn wrote: What are the "newer" effects? David Blaine made a sensation with a bunch of old and off the shelf magic tricks that most magicians gave up doing before they were thirteen. Take the biting off a piece from a coin.. It is in Bobo's , everybody overlooked it! People shouldn't be that interested in NEW stuff...mastering the old stuff could make them a living! Learn a few things well.....this life is not long enough to do everything..... ( Words of wisdom from Albert Goshman ...it paid off for him - it might as well for YOU!!!- My own magic is styled after that motto... )
Regan Inner circle U.S.A. 5727 Posts	Posted: Sep 11, 2004 01:59 pm 0 Quote: On 2004-09-09 09:54, Dr_Stephen_Midnight wrote: What's interesting is that when performers place certain effects aside as "old hat," a few years later they become "new blockbusters" again, having become re-introduced to a new public. Steve Exactly right Steve. Every decade or so we have a new generation for an audience. Regan Mister Mystery
EvanSparts Veteran user Michigan 333 Posts	Posted: Sep 13, 2004 11:00 pm 0 Quote: On 2004-09-09 01:46, p.b.jones wrote: Bish I have to respectivly disagree, one thing I definatly do not want to do is have the audience dictate to me what I will do and not do. I agree that you should ask them what they liked but that does not mean that you have to do whatever they want to be successful in this business. HI, If you want to be full time pro and stay full time pro it pretty much does ! People always buy what they want and not what they need, magic will only die as an art (or at least revert to magicians who only perform as hobbiests) if we fail to give them what they want. Phillip Honestly do you think people know what they want whan it comes to magic? Magic is magic to most lay people. If we all keep doing the same things magic will die, we must always look to new an inovative things, to keep things fresh and evolving.
Big Daddy Cool Inner circle 1606 Posts	Posted: Sep 14, 2004 01:36 am 0 Entertainment fact: An average person on the street will never, ever see live magic. Nor will the average person see an authentic opera, ballet or travel to NYC to see a Broadway show. Sure, some will, but not the mass public. So it is impossible for any audience to grow tired of any effect or routine - they've never seen it before! My evidence? (this comes from my 7 years as a "suit" in the recording industry) There are nearly 300 million people in the US. Madonna is one of the top selling recording artists. On average, she will sell 4 million records. A smash hit by any standard. But, that means that 296 million people did not buy the record. Virtually NOBODY! Now, what makes you think that any magician would have near the exposure Madonna has. Not even Copperfield, sammy! So will magic die? Not likely. Now, as to performing what your audience likes - I agree with those who have disagreed with Bish. I understand where he is coming from, but I too refuse to let my audiences dictate my performances. Rather, my performances will dictate my audience. An audience comes to see me because of who I am and how I perform; not what I perform. Yes, I do listen feedback to see what hits and what doesn't. But never would I sacrifice my vision for the fickle tastes of others. I'd go crazy trying to please everyone! We'll catch ya on the Back of the Cereal Box! Johnny www.johnnybeyond.com
enriqueenriquez Inner circle New York 1287 Posts	Posted: Sep 15, 2004 04:47 pm 0 As Groucho Marx used to say: If make them laugh, keep it.
EvanSparts Veteran user Michigan 333 Posts	Posted: Sep 15, 2004 07:55 pm 0 Quote: On 2004-09-13 21:36, Big Daddy Cool wrote: Entertainment fact: An average person on the street will never, ever see live magic. Nor will the average person see an authentic opera, ballet or travel to NYC to see a Broadway show. Sure, some will, but not the mass public. So it is impossible for any audience to grow tired of any effect or routine - they've never seen it before! My evidence? (this comes from my 7 years as a "suit" in the recording industry) There are nearly 300 million people in the US. Madonna is one of the top selling recording artists. On average, she will sell 4 million records. A smash hit by any standard. But, that means that 296 million people did not buy the record. Virtually NOBODY! Now, what makes you think that any magician would have near the exposure Madonna has. Not even Copperfield, sammy! So will magic die? Not likely. Now, as to performing what your audience likes - I agree with those who have disagreed with Bish. I understand where he is coming from, but I too refuse to let my audiences dictate my performances. Rather, my performances will dictate my audience. An audience comes to see me because of who I am and how I perform; not what I perform. Yes, I do listen feedback to see what hits and what doesn't. But never would I sacrifice my vision for the fickle tastes of others. I'd go crazy trying to please everyone! Nicely put.
jrbobik Regular user Philadelphia 104 Posts	Posted: Sep 23, 2004 01:27 pm 0 Well then I have to ask a question? If you keep in an effect that the audience does not like at all what does it do to your show. Sure they will come back to see you but will whisper to thier friends that they are not fond of this routine. What value does it add to the show keeping it in? Just trying to understand both sides of this intelligent conversation. John B "No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted"
Big Daddy Cool Inner circle 1606 Posts	Posted: Sep 23, 2004 07:12 pm 0 Well in most cases, my magic is totally motivated by my script. Each effect either moves the story along, or reveals something about the character. That makes each routine/effect critical to the show. If something isn't working, it's because the script needs tweaking. And who says an audience has to like something for it to have impact? We'll catch ya on the Back of the Cereal Box! Johnny www.johnnybeyond.com
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