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Danny Hustle Inner circle Boston, MA USA 2393 Posts |
Nick,
Your argument does not hold water. If you do not take your rabbit out in the sun on a hot day you are not going to be able to use the animal for the duration of the busking season in MOST of the world. Then what are you going to do when you need to draw an edge? Gee, if you never learned how to draw an edge with your skill as an entertainer I guess you would just have to go home. Using a rabbit to draw an edge is a poor method when compared to just about every other type of crowd building. Why do you think it is that you NEVER see a busker using a rabbit to draw an edge? It is because it does not work as well as every other method of drawing an edge. Why would a person go to great trouble and expense to use a less effective method of crowd building? For the record ANY method of good crowd building requires effort, hassle, care, and forethought. I would be willing to bet you a sizable chunk of cash that if I came to Australia I could draw a bigger crowd faster than your rabbit using nothing more than my person and my voice to do it. I only know of ONE busker in the US who has ever used a rabbit to draw an edge. His story is on my website. Click the link in my signature, then go to the performance section, then read the "dismissing the audience" thread. It might then make sense to you as to why I am so adamant in my thinking. For the record, unless you can provide proof of your "involvement" with the RSPCA you should really not use it in your argument. Why don't you try and argue your point on it's own merit without invoking the name of an organization unless you can provide proof of your involvement. It comes off lame and hackneyed. Posted: Oct 14, 2004 11:36am -------------------------------------------------------- Quote:
You can imagine the worst possible situation for ANY gig and decide that rabbit should not be used. (and I wouldn't use one in those situations) For the record, this describes just about everyday a real street performer works. We work ON THE STREET. EVERYDAY you are working in the direct sun. There is no more challenging venue than the street, ask anyone who has ever worked it. It is 180 degrees different from any other magic show including any other OUTDOOR magic show. Quote:
On 2004-10-14 02:49, Nicholas J. Johnson wrote: I submit that this method does not work nearly as well as almost any other form of crowd building. As a matter of fact every other method of crowd building takes much more effort than sticking a rabbit on a table and waiting for folks to show up. Using your talent and making an effort is not a "simpler idea". You need to rely on your talent and your skill as a performer. Anyone can stick a rabbit on a table. It requires no effort or talent. "MT is one of the reasons we started this board! I’m so sick of posts being deleted without any reason given, and by unknown people at that." - Steve Brooks Sep 7, 2001 8:38pm ©1999-2014 Daniel Denney all rights reserved. |
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Kozmo V.I.P. 5473 Posts |
Hey Danny,
I used to use a rabbit but ****ing died! koz |
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Danny Hustle Inner circle Boston, MA USA 2393 Posts |
Yeah, no surprise as rabbits have no method of internal cooling (i.e. they don't sweat). If they get overheated they check out.
I notice you didn't run right out and buy another one. Best, Dan- "MT is one of the reasons we started this board! I’m so sick of posts being deleted without any reason given, and by unknown people at that." - Steve Brooks Sep 7, 2001 8:38pm ©1999-2014 Daniel Denney all rights reserved. |
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Kozmo V.I.P. 5473 Posts |
Well I really didn't have a rabbit...but Rich Morratea did a thing with a fake rabbit and then told the audience that he once had a real one but it died...it was funny...but I bet he really didn't have a real one.
All kind of guys have opinions about how to work on the street even though they never have... know what I'm saying? koz |
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NJJ Inner circle 6437 Posts |
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On 2004-10-14 09:26, Danny Hustle wrote: You don't have to agree with me but please don't question my involvment with RSPCA or my love of my rabbit. I don't ask every magician who makes a point to offer 'proof' of their experience. I could tell you all about both the work as a volunteer and a performer I have done for the RSPCA but I get the feeling you'll still get aggressive. Fact remains, I have had success with this method in Australia IN THE SHADE! I never said "This is the best method"...just threw it out there as an idea. You don't have a agree. This is meant to be a forum for people to express their ideas in an open and free manner. |
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cstreet_1986 Loyal user 263 Posts |
I have bought Cellini's Art of Street Performing 3 and it is a bunch of questions asked to street performers:
What motivates you? Choosing effects Are some better? Making friends [on the street] Transitions [between tricks] Should a beginner travel? Street vs. Corporate venues? Street show length? Do you still practice? Does funny = money? What about accents? Acquiring lines [where do the jokes come from?] Getting caught Handling rejection [no tips] Beginner income? [should beginners work for money?] Bad weather Off season Street vs. Festival venues? Demo tape? Amplification? Life on the road Last minute advice I personally was really disappointed by this DVD, especially with volume one being full of great advice. Thats my opinion. Chris |
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Dave V Inner circle Las Vegas, NV 4824 Posts |
With a list like that and you were disappointed??? I own them all and I think it was the best of the bunch.
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Danny Hustle Inner circle Boston, MA USA 2393 Posts |
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On 2004-10-14 16:39, Nicholas J. Johnson wrote: Your involvement adds nothing to your argument that is why I mentioned it. I am not sure how you mean I have been aggressive? I have stated my position quite strongly and it is because it contained more fact than opinion. If you bring a rabbit on the street as a busker during the times when most buskers work it is abusive to the animal. You now state that you will only do this in the shade, that is not on the street is it. The original performer asked about methods for the street. This is NOT a method a street performer should use. It is dangerous to the animal involved not to mention not nearly as effective as any other method of drawing a crowd as a street entertainer. Because of my fondness for any living creature I just want to make absolutely certain that no busker reads your post and develops the bright idea of taking a rabbit on the street. When you offer advice about animals you really need to consider who is reading it. Most of the people who read the posts in this particular forum are street workers. Guys who work on the sidewalk in the bright sunshine during the summer months. Do you think it is a good idea to suggest that they bring a bunny onto the pitch now? Probably not. If you had qualified your post in the first place that your "method" only works on cool, days in the shade, and it is a very bad idea to bring an animal out on hot days, I would not have uttered a word. When I pointed out (quite nicely) I thought that is was a very bad idea to do this and WHY it was a bad idea you chose to escalate the conversation by quite poorly defending your original position. All you had to say was, "Oh well, if you guys work on the street, in the sun, and in the heat, it probably won't work for you." You painted yourself into the corner Nick, don't blame me for your poor judgment. I was merely stating the facts of the elements of the street environment. And yes, this is meant to be a forum for people to express their ideas in an open and free manner. That is exactly what I did. You seem to think this forum is for people to freely share their thoughts and ideas as long as they agree with your version of free thoughts and ideas. "MT is one of the reasons we started this board! I’m so sick of posts being deleted without any reason given, and by unknown people at that." - Steve Brooks Sep 7, 2001 8:38pm ©1999-2014 Daniel Denney all rights reserved. |
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Kozmo V.I.P. 5473 Posts |
Cstreet...have you seen part 2?
the information is not good on part 3?... |
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RonCalhoun Special user Independence, KY USA 599 Posts |
I don't ever have a rabbit
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kOnO Special user 548 Posts |
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On 2004-10-14 18:40, cstreet_1986 wrote: This sounds Like Great INFO!!!! I've got it on my CHRISTMAS LIST.... Can't wait to get it!!!!! SO ...if I save my pennies & I save my dimes, eat nothing but popcorn for the next month, and rent out the spare room I will be able to afford both (parts 2 & 3) DVD's by the 1st of NOV..... kOnO
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Kozmo V.I.P. 5473 Posts |
Well thanks kono....I hope you like the dvd...not everyone is going to....we were highly criticized (spelling)on part one also...lots of guys didn't like that one either....it's very different material.
The info on part 3 is about Cellini wanting to answer the questions that are always asked of him...and that's what he did.... |
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cstreet_1986 Loyal user 263 Posts |
I know it seems like a lot of invaluable information, but to me (apart from the transition chapter) the answers given are either obvious, or non-specific (e.g. "it depends"). Sorry Koz if I have offended you. I have replied to your e-mail. Perhaps you can get something better out of this DVD than I did, but what I said is my opinion.
I haven't bought number 2, because I read the reviews on it and there have been bad reviews (as to where, I am not saying!!) plus it didn't sound too great when it was being marketed. Chris |
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Kozmo V.I.P. 5473 Posts |
Well part 2 is not great I guess. It's just Cellini's street show...he's not really that good.
No, you didn't offend me. Not everyone is going to like this material...it really depends on where you are as a performer. Chris, you have the right to your opinion, and I would not say that you are wrong..it's ok....sorry you didn't like it. Some like it and some don't. It's like everything. koz |
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Danny Hustle Inner circle Boston, MA USA 2393 Posts |
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Wow, I'm surprised. Although, if you are further along in your development as a street worker a lot of the information may seem obvious to you. I know when I started there was a lot of stuff that seemed like common sense that turned out for me to be wrong. I was glad to see a lot of stuff I thought was accurate confirmed in the first disk so I think I kind of know what you mean. The Cellini DVDs are geared toward beginning street workers. I know I got a few things out of the new disks. Particularly the N.O. disk. Did you get anything out of the DVDs Chris? You have been working at it a little while now, what were the positive things you liked or agreed with on the disk that you think might be helpful to a beginner? Was there anything in there that you had already learned but you thought might be good advice to somebody starting out? I'd like to hear your opinion. Best, Dan- "MT is one of the reasons we started this board! I’m so sick of posts being deleted without any reason given, and by unknown people at that." - Steve Brooks Sep 7, 2001 8:38pm ©1999-2014 Daniel Denney all rights reserved. |
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Kozmo V.I.P. 5473 Posts |
Just so you guys know...they are geared towards the "new" guys but I still feel that there is good info.
Can I ask you a question Danny, why is it that it's so important to most street workers to work busker fests when there are 30,000 festivals in the US a lone each year where they wouldn't have to share the pitch?.... I really didn't want to talk about some of the things like festivals on the dvd because it's too important to give away, but we tried to hold nothing back....if someone takes my advice and does what I say to do on the dvd that performer will be able to develop work that will last for years and years and years and its so simple. But no one approaches it like that...they all have to get videos made and then the guy who gets the video in the mail throws it in the can. I beleive there is good stuff on those dvd's..not for everyone though,....and Chris was just telling how he felt and I'm not offended by him and what he said at all... I would like to see the bad review of part 2 though because it has gotten great reviews so far.... koz |
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Danny Hustle Inner circle Boston, MA USA 2393 Posts |
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On 2004-10-15 10:13, tedb wrote: **looking around** Shhhh... you are not supposed to tell people where the REAL money is Koz. Yeah, that's true if you want to be a festival performer and you have a halfway decent act you can make A LOT of loot. A LOT. Let me say that again. A LOT. You and Jim gave a ton of stuff away on those disks Koz. Most guys starting out might not realize how much is there until they are more experienced. Best, Dan- "MT is one of the reasons we started this board! I’m so sick of posts being deleted without any reason given, and by unknown people at that." - Steve Brooks Sep 7, 2001 8:38pm ©1999-2014 Daniel Denney all rights reserved. |
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PROFED Loyal user Chicago,Illinois 229 Posts |
When adults (with not children around) ask me why I don't use a rabbit in my show, I tell them it was always a hassel to feed, but I trained my rabbit to do with out food, but just as he got it down, he died.
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Danny Hustle Inner circle Boston, MA USA 2393 Posts |
On the Cellini DVDs, I just watched part three again. I mean, come on...Cellini AND Gazzo. I think it's pretty awesome to see these guys together talking about the street.
Best, Dan- "MT is one of the reasons we started this board! I’m so sick of posts being deleted without any reason given, and by unknown people at that." - Steve Brooks Sep 7, 2001 8:38pm ©1999-2014 Daniel Denney all rights reserved. |
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Kozmo V.I.P. 5473 Posts |
Me too.
koz |
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