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Steve Dela Special user U.K. London 961 Posts 
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Hi guys, I am curious if anyone knows of anyone who has ever had a set of titanium cups?
or if any manufacturer is going to be making them? They could be very strong but also light for the table hopping guys! just a thought! In Magic Steve Dela |
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Dave V Inner circle Las Vegas, NV 4824 Posts
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Not sure the cost would be worth the trouble, especially since most here agree that heavier cups are generally better than lighter ones.
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts
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Not totally serious here... but if anyone would have owned them, it would be Bill Palmer. (wink!)
As for unusual cups, I have always wanted a single cup that looked exactly like 3 stacked. Think of the possibilities.........
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24321 Posts
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Titanium is a strange metal. It is very light and very strong, but it is also quite flexible. Generally, it is used as part of an alloy. The expense is very high, and it requires a special permit to obtain it, because it is a critical metal.
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Terry Holley Inner circle 1805 Posts
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On 2004-09-11 19:39, Michael Baker wrote: Make one yourself like I did back in the 70's. I bought an inexpensive set of Ravel's Super Cups (I don't believe those are available anymore but I think Ickle Pickle makes some that look like the Ravel). I used a hacksaw and cut them appropriately, then glued them together so it looked like a stack of three. I don't remember how I came up with the idea, but I probably read it somewhere. I was never convinced that it was any stronger than a regular one-cup load production because the stack does not lend itself to any kind of optical illusion (the stack is high and so is the production). Of course, I think you need to get the stack out of site as fast as possible so there can be no comparison as to height. Seems to me someone out there is doing a final load these days something like this, but I'm not sure who. Maybe Bill Palmer or someone else who has the gold Sherwood cups will want to give this a try and tell us what they think! 
Terry
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts
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I like it.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24321 Posts
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A friend of mine tells me that on Telemundo the other day there was a magician from Mexico who did a cups and balls routine with cups made from the, how shall I put this, scrotal area of three former bulls.
Talk about a weird episode of "The Sopranos!"
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Steve Dela Special user U.K. London 961 Posts
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Ooooowwwww yuk!
anyway, I like the idea that titanium is corrode proof, crush proof when thick enough! and also the hardest titanium is scratch proof! this appeals to me. I might try and get some made. this would be an item to put in the Last will and testiment! Thanks guys. Steve Dela |
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts
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On 2004-09-12 05:16, Bill Palmer wrote: I wonder what he used for the balls?
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24321 Posts
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On 2004-09-12 06:02, Steve Dela wrote: I seriously doubt that you will be able to obtain titanium in large enough quantity to make a set of cups. The question arises -- how are you going to fabricate them? To work titanium, you need a really tough bit. You can't spin it, so it will have to be CNC machined. There is a company that works with it, though. Try http://www.titanium.com/
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Steve Dela Special user U.K. London 961 Posts
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Cheers for the link Bill, I might talk to Auke Van Dokkum to see what he says about the possiblities?
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24321 Posts
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He would probably be the only one in Europe who could do it.
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Terry Holley Inner circle 1805 Posts
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I have a golf putter that supposedly has a titanium plate on the face. After several rounds it ended up with a few scratches/nicks that are noticeable.
I'm not sure how this happened, but I surmise that even with my putter cover, it must have made contact with the irons in my bag. So at least that type(?) of titanium isn't scratch or nickproof. Terry
Co-author with illusionist Andre' Kole of "Astrology and Psychic Phenomena."
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constantine Regular user Memphi, on the Mighty Muddy 189 Posts
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Back in the fifties the CIA built basicly a hidden city in the hills of western arkansas called Mena.(I don't make this stuff up)One of the less sinister aspects of this was thay could make ANYTHINK there.With the cooling of the cold war there are a lot of super high teck machine shops looking for work.Thay do a lot of one off fabricotion for NASCAR,some of it in titanium.Titanium is very dense,I don't think the cups would be light.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24321 Posts
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Titanium is denser than aluminum, but not as dense as copper.
Copper has a density of 8930 kg./cubic meter. Titanium has a density of 4500 kg./cubic meter. Aluminum has a density of ca. 2700 kg./cubic meter. Gold is 19320 kg./cubic meter. Water is 1000 kg./ cubic meter. So this means that copper has a density of 8.93, titanium has a density of 4.5, and aluminum has a density of 2.7, while gold is 19.32 source is http://www.simetric.co.uk/si_metals.htm According to titanium.org, titanium machines similarly to 316 stainless steel.
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts
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Dan Gurney, to save weight, used titanium exhaust system on his racing cars... the heat turned them a beautiful bluish cast with all kinds of swirly tints.
You could probably use sheet material and form it and weld it together.
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Dan LeFay Inner circle Holland 1371 Posts
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I bet Auke would take it as a challenge to make titanium cups. Technically I think he can, since he once made a wand for me that had CNC turned ferrules.
I bet as well that the price would be, uhm...steeeeep!
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paulajayne Inner circle London England 1160 Posts
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On 2004-09-12 05:16, Bill Palmer wrote: I bet I can guess what his final loads were !!!!! Oh B*ll**ks Paula
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24321 Posts
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No, I think that's what he was using at the beginning.
"The Swatter"
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Doug Peters Special user I have a life, so I only have 591 Posts
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One surprise aspect of titanium is that it "plates off" -- for example, it will leave little streaks of titanium on any hard item rubbing against it (like the brass tips on your favorite wand, for example). These streaks are impractical to remove (i.e., it would cost more than another wand).
...odd bits picked up from my Dad (research metallurgist).
"if you have any answers, it's time to ask harder questions!"
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