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Nosher
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Some very informative posts on this topic!

My choice is Richard Osterlind's Breakthrough stack. Also, I found that just by practising with a deck while watching television and the like, I ended up with a 'memorised stack' after a week or so. Like Dennis Loomis above, now I just 'know' the next card.

As Dennis and others pointed out though, it all really depends on what you want from a stacked deck. I don't do any effects that require me to work out the number of cards a selection is from the top, so I am very happy with my choice.

Frank, I saw that your original post was a couple of years ago. If you don't mind could you tell us if you eventually settled on one particular stack and how it's working out?

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I beleive there is no one great stack.It all depends on what you want from your stack.I have used the Osterlind stack which I love,but I prefer the si stebbens becouse I stack it from a new pack and its easy to learn.I think all other stacks are great but the most usefull for me is the stebbens.You should not be asking us what is better becouse its our opinion.I was recently looking for a new cologne and asked a few freinds what smells better they said trhings like HUMMER and LACOSTE.When I asked a few girls what smells better they said neither.Its all prefrence.Try them all I have,and see what works best for you.
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On 2002-08-16 01:08, Frank Starsini wrote:
I started to learn the Aaronson stack but quit. If I'm going to re-take up the hobby I don't want to learn one and then later find that a different one is better for some wonderful reason. I'd hate to learn two.

What is the best stack to learn.
Nikola
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6 Hour Stack (or whatever it's called)
Tamariz

Here are some things I can think of...

1. The stack is easy to remember
2. There are automatic tricks set up
3. The stack is easy to assemble from a new deck.
4. The stack does not look suspicious

Thanks,
frank


Hi Frank,
Have you considered the Boris Wild Stack. In combination with his marked deck you can do some killer stuff and you can pick it up and learn it in 30 minutes or so. We saw his lecture at the Magi-Fest and 20 minutes later in the lobby we were able to do pretty good with it. Now keep in mind its the only stack I have seen so I don't claim to be remotely knowledgeable on the subject I just wanted to help out.

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Here's some humble advice.
Take the time out to learn a memorized stack (Aronson or Tamariz). Anything that can be done with a cyclical stack can be done with a memorized deck, but a mem-deck allows for so much more miracle-class stuff. I recommend either of the above stacks because there are numerous effects built into the stacks which don't even require that the stack be memorized. Aronson's most recent book "Try the Impossible" has tons of 'em.
With all due respect to Richard Osterlind (of whom I am a huge fan, and I buy EVERYTHING he puts out) why bother memorizing the Breakthrough Card System, which has no built-in effects (like poker deals, etc. built into it) when, with the same amount of effort, you can learn either Aronson or Tamariz and have all those built-in effects at your fingertips?
Anyway...just one man's opinion.
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On 2005-05-27 15:37, snushy wrote:
Here's some humble advice.
Take the time out to learn a memorized stack (Aronson or Tamariz). Anything that can be done with a cyclical stack can be done with a memorized deck, but a mem-deck allows for so much more miracle-class stuff. I recommend either of the above stacks because there are numerous effects built into the stacks which don't even require that the stack be memorized. Aronson's most recent book "Try the Impossible" has tons of 'em.
With all due respect to Richard Osterlind (of whom I am a huge fan, and I buy EVERYTHING he puts out) why bother memorizing the Breakthrough Card System, which has no built-in effects (like poker deals, etc. built into it) when, with the same amount of effort, you can learn either Aronson or Tamariz and have all those built-in effects at your fingertips?
Anyway...just one man's opinion.
L. Zaslow


L.Zaslow,

I have always loved card effects. I cut my teeth on Lorayne who almost always uses a regular deck. A couple of years ago I started doing more card stuff than usual. I was doing a business luncheon when I heard one woman say, "Doesn't he do anything else but cards?" I quickly put away the deck and moved on.

We, as magicians, may love card work, but the average person soons grows tired and starts lumping all the effects together. It becomes, "He can do anything with a deck of cards."

I usually do about half a dozen card effects in the course of a whole night. The ones I have chosen to perform are the strongest ones I have found. If I want to do a poker deal or some other effect, I have plenty of ways to accomplish that without using a memorized deck. Frankly, I think many magicians forget that gimmicked decks (and other magicial apparatus) are like strong spices which can be quickly overused and ruin the taste of the performance.

Richard
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Another vote for the Osterlind System. One reason: Test Condition Card Trick. This is an effect that comes with the Breakthrough Card System book and it is quite frankly one of the most astonishing things I have ever performed. It's an effect that cannot be done with a Stebbins stack or any CHaSeD stack (don't get me wrong, those stacks are great and there are plenty of other effects that can be applied to them, but not this one). It's also one of those rare effects where you feel like you are performing real magic when you do it. It's a simple effect but the presentation just sells it to the hilt.
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Thanks cfrancis, you've sold me on Osterlinds System. I've just downloaded it. Looks great. Top quality stuff as always from Richard.
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Fantastic, Jasper. I don't think you'll be disappointed. At first, the stack seemed daunting to figure out. But it isn't at all. I picked it up very quickly.
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I'm afraid I must agree with Richard (er... Why should anyone be afraid of this ???)
Laypeople aren't a "tabula rasa" when it comes to card tricks...
They become very much used to it and it doesn't impress them much anymore.
Do you know the old "mental choice" effect ? It impresses the spectators more than an invisible deck, although the odds of your prediction being correct are much smaller ( 1 on four instead of 1 on 52). This has only to do with the fact that the latter effect uses cards...
The illusion of magic diminishes in favour of the impression of skill... I think that card tricks are most impressive when they have a gambling theme, because that's what lay people use cards for. Only in this situation it's completely natural to them, in many other situations it will remind them of suspect uncles at christmas parties...
Don't misunderstand me, I love card tricks as much as any magician. It's just that lay people think differently...
But perhaps I'm wrong... It has been a long night... with some card tricks... and much other stuff... Sweet dreams,
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Anyone still using the Laurie Ireland Stack?

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I vote for Osterlind's BCS. It's just great and EXTREMELY easy to memorize! (for comparison sake, I failed geometry, so go figure). I'll be honest I have never tried Aronson's and I'm looking forward to it, but in the mean time, Richard Osterlind's Breakthrough Card System is just completely amazing to the lay people.

I got it from the Mind Mysteries dvd set. And you should know what kinda reaction you'd get from Two Cards in the Pockets and Challange Mind Reading..
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Serious guys if you want to learn a stacked deck in 5 minutes look at the Dave Stuyvesant easy deck. The actual arangement of the cards makes it impossible to forget. If you learn it and return to it months later it just comes back to memory. It used to be on Ebay a while back and I think it only cost a fiver for the instructions. Comes with several killer effects as well.
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For what it's worth ...
I like Osterlind's BCS.
It suits *me*, and what *I* want to achieve.
And as importantly, I am confident it will work and that I can do it.
Horses for Courses I think.
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Hey Frank,

I learned the Aaronson stack but I have never done any of the imbedded gambling routines. To be honest, gambling routines just aren't my style, but if you like gambling stuff then Simon's stack is very good.

I was thinking the other day, if you start with a deck in new deck order and then give it 5 faro's it has the appearance of a completely shuffled deck, although it is only 3 faro's away from being in new deck order.

If I hadn't already memorised the Aaronson stack, I'd definitely try to remember the '5xfaro'd' deck. I think doing some great memorsied work and then a couple of shuffles later being able to present the deck in new deck order has a lot more possibilities than a few gambling routines.

Then again, maybe that's just me.
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That's an excellent idea.
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On 2005-06-22 06:31, BIlly James wrote:
Hey Frank,

I learned the Aaronson stack but I have never done any of the imbedded gambling routines. To be honest, gambling routines just aren't my style, but if you like gambling stuff then Simon's stack is very good.

I was thinking the other day, if you start with a deck in new deck order and then give it 5 faro's it has the appearance of a completely shuffled deck, although it is only 3 faro's away from being in new deck order.

If I hadn't already memorised the Aaronson stack, I'd definitely try to remember the '5xfaro'd' deck. I think doing some great memorsied work and then a couple of shuffles later being able to present the deck in new deck order has a lot more possibilities than a few gambling routines.

Then again, maybe that's just me.
:)


No, it's actually Tamariz's thinking too - the idea of being able to end in NDO. It takes a bit more work, but he's got effects in his book that secretly accomplish this work.
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My understanding is that Mike Skinner used a "5xFaro'd" deck as his memorized deck, so that he could get into it quickly and end in new deck order.
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I like Richard Osterlind's Breakthrough Card System. I learned it from Richard's "Mind Mysteries" DVD series (Vol. 2). The performances of “Card Calling” and “Challenge Mind Reading” will defiantly make the spectators believe that you are reading their mind.
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I'm trying to decide which stack to learn. I like the idea of being able to get in and out of new deck order easily, which people are saying is a reason to go with Mneumonica. But in Mneumonica, getting into stack order with American cards requires a lot of running of cards singly. Is anyone doing something like what Mike Skinner is described as doing in this thread--just 5 faros and remembering that order (Or some slight variation on that; if one does 5 out faros, I think one has an ace at top and bottom. So maybe not quite that.)? I'm tempted to do this, partly b/c I usually find new decks pretty easy to faro. Or are the built-in effects (with Mneumonica) really great, and it'd be stupid for me to go to the trouble of memorizing a stack that had no built-ins merely so that I could get in and out of NDO easily? I know that ultimately the answer depends on what I want, but I'm looking for advice from people who have done memorized deck work. I haven't.
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