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Paul Jester Special user UK 759 Posts |
Hi all, I've just got my first set of Cups and Balls (Cheapy plastic cups and soft, strange balls), they're a £2 Sooty set, I didn't buy a proper set 'cos I didn't really plan on using them that much... how wrong I was. I'll buy a better set soon, but first I want to know where I can find out all the crazy moves/routines that I can use with them, I'm bored of the basic "transport the ball through the bottom of the bottom cup!", any information would be useful, preferably cheap! Thanks
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kcgroves New user Colorado 15 Posts |
Hey Jester,
Michael Ammar has a book and video series just on cups and balls. You can also find a routine in the Dai Vernon book of magic. The routine that I use is The Mendoza Cups and Balls Routine. It comes as a small paperback booklet. You do however, have to have a combo set of cups. Good Luck, Kyle
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steve proescher Regular user Virginia Beach 147 Posts |
Michael Ammar's videos and book are probably the most complete source. Johnny Tompson has a nice routine on his video vol 4. David Regal's version is the coolest. He show's that on his tape series, as well as in his new book, Constant Fooling. Raphael Benatar devotes an entire video to the cups and balls. Stevens Magic has a vid on the CnB with Mike Ammar, Johnny Paul, Charlie Miller and Mike Rogers. Tarbell vol 1 has a section as well. There is a magic reference page on the net somewhere (whose url I can't find at this moment) listing many more sources. If I can find the link, I'll send it to you.
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steve proescher Regular user Virginia Beach 147 Posts |
Here's the link....I think.
http://magicref.tripod.com/magic0.htm |
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Steven Steele Chief of Staff 1868 Posts |
Jester,
If you follow Kyle's advise and get Michael Ammar's Book and Dai Vernon's routine you will be able to do anything you want relative to the cups and balls. Michael Ammar's book is the most comprehensive tretise available to day. Dai Vernon's routine is the classic routine that just about everybody bases their routine on. Getting the video tapes will allow you to see some of the moves performed, but many magicians have done well without them for many many years; so it's really your call. I also have a set of the Mendoza Combo Cups (2 cups plus a chop cut). I tinkered with it for awhile, but put them away and have used my original set for the past 20 years or so. I just like the purity of just using three cups. My opinion... Good luck.
Coram Deo
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magiciandude New user Utah 67 Posts |
I also would recomend the Mendoza cups and balls routine although you have to buy a special kind of cups.
Hope my words where of help! Lance R. Wilson
Magic is the psychology of the audience.
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JustLoco Regular user Los Angeles, Ca 111 Posts |
Check out Michael Vincent, His cups and balls routine is great.
http://www.michaelvincentproductions.com/acatalog/DVDs.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MSKFJtaS5k |
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JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11213 Posts |
The discussion at the Café's "Ever So Sleightly" section is on evrything related to cups and balls. I believe you will find more than what you are looking for.
Here's the link - http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewf......15&37218 Have fun there. |
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gbradburn New user Raleigh, NC 75 Posts |
The routine in the Mark Wilsons Complete Magic Course book is great. It's broken into progressively more challenging segments. Master the first one, which it sounds like you already have, and then add the next ones, practicing them until you've mastered them until you have the entire routine.
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Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts |
Eddie Joseph books (a very knowledgeable C&Bs performer) are full of moves and effects which complete Michael Ammar's splendid work on the C&Bs. There was also a great series of articles in the Jinx which was reproduced in the Phoenix with a very original approach.
Have fun with the C&Bs it contains all you need to know about magic but if you want to build a really great routine get Darwin Ortiz Designing Miracles book My last comment on the cups themselves is buy heavy cups (steel turned or copper turned)... if you make the investment, you'll understand why and you'll never revert to plastic or light metallic cups.
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MattSconce Special user 654 Posts |
Cups and Balls have never been a part of my repetoire but maybe I should get into them. Do they blow audiences away?
Other effects:
http://www.penguinmagic.com/magician/matt-sconce |
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NurseRob Elite user Dallas, TX 469 Posts |
I have more fun with cups and balls over everything else I have learned so far. It is the epicenter of my magic world.
Ut imago est animi voltus sic indices oculi ~
The face is a picture of the mind as the eyes are its interpreter ~Cicero |
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Billgussen Elite user Central Japan 497 Posts |
JustLoco,I'm all for reviving old threads, but when you do, you might want to mention that you're reviving the thread in your post. Otherwise you get a lot of people answering a question that is more than six years old. Like I was doing when I happended to glance at the date of the first post. I think it's more than likely that Paul Jester has found his answer by now.
But the cups and balls are great magic. I can still vividly remember the first time I saw them performed some 35 years ago -- and being shocked when the magician invited me to examine the cups all I wanted. Bill |
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JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11213 Posts |
I agree with you, Bill. Cups and balls magic is really great and my favorite too.
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Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts |
When you learn the Cups and Balls, you start a path that goes from very basic effects all the way to the most sophisticated misdirection.
The beauty with C&Bs is that you can always progress still staying on the same trick.
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Glen Regular user 121 Posts |
Ammars dvd is hard to beat. Frank Garcia also has some great moves
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Magicbarry Loyal user Toronto 276 Posts |
Obviously this is a very old thread that someone revived, but since many newbies will come here looking for all the above advice on C&B, I thought I'd throw this in.
Something just as important -- if not MORE important -- than learning the sleights and moves, etc., is watching skilled C&B performers at work. You can find performances on YouTube -- there are a couple by Dai Vernon there, including one from the Merv Griffin show where he makes two or three mistakes, including one doozy near the end that Merv makes a joke about. Learn the basics of a good routine -- the Vernon, or the Ammar, or the Wilson, for example. Then watch the masters in action. Watching other performers is crucial, in my opinion. You start looking at C&B from a spectator's point of view, and you start seeing that a huge part of what makes C&B fantastic is not that the spec doesn't know where a ball went, but that a) they think they know where ball went, and you undermine that thinking over and over, and b)they don't know where the ball's going to end up. I say this because many newcomers get self-conscious about the sleights, thinking they're easy to catch. In reality, most spectators aren't baffled by your vanish -- they're baffled by the reveals. They're also baffled when you let them think they know what you're doing, then pull the rug from beneath them. Watch the Vernon. He starts the routine by doing a very simple vanish twice in a row. Spectators might think they know what he's doing, and where the balls are. Then he does the wand spin, making their first suspicion seem impossible. Then he shows the balls under the three cups ... and the spectator never suspected that that's where the balls went. They thought the balls were in his hand. It's elegant manipulation of the spectator's thought process, and it's worth study. I've learned and tried dozens of C&B routines through the years from books and videos. But nothing has ever been as valuable to me as watching good performers doing their routines. |
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cupsandballsmagic Inner circle 2705 Posts |
Paul,
If you are developing an intrest in the cups and balls, something else that I would recommend for sure is to mail Bill Palmer and get a username and password for his wonderful cups and balls museum. You can find everything from free plans for busking tables to info on how cups are made and everything else inbetween. Pour yourself a long coffee because time passes in the museum... |
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JamesTong Eternal Order Malaysia 11213 Posts |
Yes, fully agreed. The cups and balls museum is the place cups workers must go.
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cupsandballsmagic Inner circle 2705 Posts |
James is being modest here...
You can also indulge in some great interviews here: http://www.magicaroundtheworld.com/info/......dex.html By the way if you need any bespoke balls making, James is your man. |
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