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Flec
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I have owned and performed this effect for a few years now and I love it. But I noticed something the other day.

Firstly on the Bill Malone Tapes he mentions that the cards can be taken out of the deck to start the effect. How is this possible? It would surely have to be an early effect right?

Secondly, A review of this trick claims that the ending can leave you clean and the cards examined if necessary. Again, how?
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Hi Flec,

Yes, the cards can be taken out of the deck to start the effect. I usually ribbon spread the whole deck face up to show that they are all normal, being careful not to show the gimmicked portion of the cards. If you have this, you should know that it is possible to show a large portion of the gaffed cards without revealing anything.However, as you mentioned, it would have to be an early effect so that the the gaffs are not exposed.

I guess you can end clean if you do a packet switch which isn't too hard. There's been times when the spectators have asked to examine the cards, but they still could not find the secret. This doesn't usually happen to me because I put the cards away as soon as I finish the effect, and continue my act with the rest of the deck. I hope this helps!

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I used to utilize "Switch-a-Roo" in conjunction with many of my packet tricks, especially Skinner's Monte, NFW, and Ricochet, to enable me to hand the cards to the spectator for examination. Hope this helps.


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I also forgot to mention that if you had an Xchange deck, this would be a very effective way to switch the cards. Unfortunately, you still don't end clean, but it allows you to let the spectators examine the cards without hesitation.
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In the instructions that come with the packet trick, it describes how Mike cleaned up with a packet switch. However, if you really study the performance part of the routine, you will find that no switch is nessecary.

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I recently saw Bill perform this effect. If performed properly, no one would ever ask to see the cards. Bill gets more out of this effect, than anyone else I've ever seen do it.
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Aside from your fast hands, what specifically keeps the audience from wondering what's under your thumb and later seeking to explore the question for themselves with cards in hand?
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Start with the 3 cards on top of your deck in it's case and push the flap of the case between the gimmick set and the rest of the deck, that way when you pull the deck out it is easy to keep the gimmicks in the box as you pull out the regular deck.

Now go into a couple of your standard routines and then put the deck back into the box but leave it on the table. (Do a non-card trick or two now)

Now go back and take the cards out of the case give them a cut and then run through and take out the gimmicks and away you go.

When you finish put them back on top of the deck - deck into the case - flap between gimmicks and deck.
Now off to the next table you go.

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Billy James`s idea is one of many you could come up with. Just try it.
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True, and what about what's under your thumb?

Believe me, I've used this, in the form of Hamman's Final Ace Trick and found out the hard way.
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On 2004-10-04 09:57, Jonathan Townsend wrote:
True, and what about what's under your thumb?
This is very funny..for me..

Actually I never liked that version, also I did know it way back from the Eddy Taytelbaum days..most ppl still not know that it was described in *The Art of Close-up magic* way back...

I never liked the MS handling/popularization at all !
And..to say so, is almost a crime.. Smile

Seeing Bill Malone do it, gives another perspective..also it was not that routine I kept a very firm eye on when watching his DVD, I think (IIRC) his handling and presentation was GREAT..maybe here was a performer that could make the most out of it..?
I have to have a renewed look, but can't imagine the impression I recall is wrong..

As mentioned, that type of gaff is much, much older then when Michael Skinner made it popular, those just knowing a tiny bit about the various routines/tools of card magic will know this!

TBH, when Patrick Page does his version of 3 card monte it is GREAT.

As being influenced though by being a *magician* (well at least kind of) myself, I must though admit, I like the Gaetan Bloom gimmick much, much better, otherwise I wouldn't have gone through the trouble of making spares myself, AFTER I had purchased the stuff from him/ his dealer selling it many years back..

BUT, this -again- goes 15-20 years back and I haven't done that routine since..still it is stuck in my mind..and I still love it, but would have to practice heavily to get it running smooth..

Too much other non-card stuff that is more effective for laypeople to keep up with..

Remember, one can't do it all..and WHEN one does it, it has to be as flawless as possible..
That is not only a goal, but also often prohibits one in doing routines that are great, even routines one has done years back oneselves, takes too much time to get 'em perfect (or at least close to perfect).
One has to make a choice..always!
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On 2004-10-02 20:50, DaveM wrote:
I used to utilize "Switch-a-Roo" in conjunction with many of my packet tricks, especially Skinner's Monte, NFW, and Ricochet, to enable me to hand the cards to the spectator for examination. Hope this helps.


I actually purchased the Switch-a-Roo exactly for this purpose myself...
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To back up Jonathan, since I like to do that when he's right, I've got an anecdote to share. I was a young punk hanging around the magic shop but still very green when in walked Mike Maxwell with a new trick to show Steve, the owner. L&L had just finished the first run of the cards and Mike had written the instruction booklet that came with it. Up until this point I had never seen or heard of the infamous fake-o sheets. I didn't know that the cards had been custom printed, I was told that Mike was doing sleight of hand as taught to him by Mike Skinner. Mike was very unhappy when I told him it looked like he wasn't showing the full face of the cards and I'd be curious to see them. One could chalk it up to a magician's knowledge but, at that time I was very ignorant of the various methods to create magic, particularly in the area of gaffs. I'll always remember feeling like the routine telegraphed the method. Of course, Mike Maxwell is no Mike Skinner but it does give one piece of anecdotal evidence that the method to this effect can be somewhat obvious in the hands of a mediocre magician.

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What a great story.

I think the way the effect is written up and how I've seen folks perform it, people suspect soemthing si up. That's why I don't think there should be a miracle in the middle of the routine. Let them win twice and then end the effect with them stunned.
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If you are comfortable ending up with gaffs at the end its ok but for my money go for a non gaffed version any time.
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On 2004-10-04 21:23, David Nelson wrote:
I was told that Mike was doing sleight of hand as taught to him by Mike Skinner. Mike was very unhappy when I told him it looked like he wasn't showing the full face of the cards and I'd be curious to see them.
Let me honest also re this..
I always disliked that *fake*, the second a visitor from Germany performed the routine for me many years back, he did it well, that wasn't the prob..

Michael Skinner was an outstandingly great artist, but I still wonder, he got away with this thingy..even if the originator is good old Eddy from the NL..
Take a look at Gaetan Blooms fake..that's true magic when performed well, or even Pat Pages version..he wouldn't dream of to swap it for any other version..
IMHO, that Ultimate 3 card monte stinks..sorry, I'm actually just observing, trying to look at the routine from a specs point of view!

BUT, take the *Chase the Ace* from Ken Brooke..or whoever invented it..for larger cards or stage-work..that one is OK, even if the gaff is similar, actually I too used it years back!
Just -again- the opinion of a single guy, judge for yoruself..

One main point, even *the greats* in magic can flop re their judgement and handling of certain routines..they are human too..so why not !
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Two quick points: First, the gaff goes back to the great Theodore DeLand. Second, Bob Far mer took the Skinner idea and greatly improved it (IMHO) in "Bammo Monte Monster."

It's a multi-phase routine in part designed to de-fuse the "what's that under your thumb" problem.

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On 2004-10-22 11:26, MField2000 wrote:
Two quick points: First, the gaff goes back to the great Theodore DeLand.

DeLand...why didn't I recognize that?
An old pal of mine Smile
Just kidding, but I should have remembered! Smile
(Don't know Bob Farmers version though Smile )
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Even though the Ken Brooke Chase the Ace cards are around 9x14-inches, Ken INSISTED that it is ia close up trick. And I agree.

It is the handling and the presentation.

When you are close, you can allow the spectator to put his/her hand on the ACE corner, turn all over, take away the 2 and 3 and it KILLS when they turn their hand over and have a 3, you the Ace.

But, as I said (and as Ken taught) it is the handling/managment.

A great routine and I have probably worn out a dozen sets over the years.
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I "Beta'ed" (Check the credits) the Skinner thing... Never been asked about the cards, never had 'em grabbed... Depends on your presentation. You'll note that they really don't give you one in the Skinner package. How you handle the cards, how you do the "fekes'", etc., are what sell the slieght-of-hand concept. And you do have to "sell" that this is clever card handling! You have to almost challenge them to catch you, then give them a reason that explains the wrong card being there. This IS NOT an easy trick to perform - it is easy to DO, but not easy to PERFORM. Real performers CAN "sell" this. Mike Skinner did, and I'm glad he showed me how...

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