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The last 36 hours have seen the high emotions of the past 6 months finally come to a head here in All Tied Up.
For most of the Escape Artist (EA) community it has been half a year of fighting, back stabbing and plain old lies.
We have seen many respected EA's head for the hills and leave the Café completely.
So, today I decided to take it on myself to seek out the truth about Santini, and to present it to the EA community for them all to see.
I began by replying to a post by Michael Lee. Who had said, among other things, that: 1) Steve Santini's book 'Everything you ever wanted to know about escapes... but nobody would tell you' was not worth the paper it was printed on. He claimed that Mr Santini was not fit to write such a book due to the fact that he was not a professional EA. He continued saying that the information contained within the book had been available in other publications for some time. 2) Mr Lee went on to say that he should be considered as a top EA himself. That he 'defeated Santini' and was superior. He put himself in the same league as Mr Bigelow and Mr Baker.
I then challenged him, asking him to clarify his statements. His response was that he should be classed as a legend because of who he had performed for (ie the Clintons) and nothing about what he had offered to the community. He also repeated the statement about beating Santini's handcuffs.
I therefore asked him to clarify what he had said. Which sadly he did not and the thread was deleted by the management. So I asked the questions again.
After some time I had a reply. But this was not a reply from Mr Lee. It was also not a reply from Santini. Now this EA had some very interesting information regarding Mr Lee. They stated that Mr Lee had offered to help them with an effect. A noble jesture. So the effect was video taped and sent off. Now this EA waited for a while but Mr Lee is to reply with his help not even a 'thank you'. The EA went on to say that when Santini offered the challenge to Lee to try out his cuffs 'Lee said no'.
I decided to dig a little deeper and came across many different articles regarding Steve Santini and his work as an EA. These articles dated back to the eighties and came right up to his latest jail escape. Amateur??? I think NOT.
I continued and performed a search for Mr Lee. After searching for approximately 3 hours I found a website, http://www.michaell.net. I got excited. But it was all in vein. The site belongs to a self confessed starwars geek. Not the famous Michael Lee, Escape Artist.
During the day many others on the forum have also sent PM's and emails regarding the habits of Michael Lee. Each and every one of them speak the same story. That he is a lier, a thief of ideas uncapable of creating anything original.
Mr Lee has REFUSED to BACK-UP his earlier CLAIMS.

In conclusion; Steve Santini is a full time EA. For this he should be respected in the same way as any craftsman that can do his chosen job well. He did challenge Michael Lee to escape his cuffs, yet Mr Lee refused and turned him down. Mr Lee may or may not be a great EA. We will never truly know the answer. BUT, Steve Santini should no-longer be refered to as a hack, a fake or a fraud. Comments about any performer should be kept to oneself unless acusations can be backed up by real evidence (not a paragraph in your mates new book) to prove the point.

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I think, more to the point, this is a battle over a VERY small pie.

Truth be told, being the "worlds best escape artist" is a title right up there with "best one arm push up doer".

For the last month I have done an experiement in my shows. I ask the kids under 10 who help me if they know who David Copperfield is. Do you know that 99% have NO idea!

That is how quickly they forget!

Choosing the hill you are willing to die on is important in your daily life; all of th is has gone too far.

I have a DVD coming out in November/December. Some people will like it, some will not, do I care either way? Not really....

...I learned long ago that my audience validates my work, not my "peers".

The same is true for all of you.....
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Indeed Mark you are right. It is the audience that validates our work.

However, if one man is going to say something that is ***ing towards another man then I feel that person has to put forward his case for saying such things. If they can't then they should not be saying it.

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Roslyn

Mr Lee has asked many of us to read between the lines of his posts to 'find the truth' about Mr Santini.

This silence could be caused by anthing, from Mr Lee being away from his computer, to a technical fault to simply not wanting to answer your questions.

Good job I am not reading between the lines or I might indeed change my opinion.

Mr Tripp

I have to agree that there are many other 'worlds best' and it depends on your point of view. I hope that I am man enough to see as many of those views as I can in my life
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Ok lets ask this Question who Has Helped More. Mr A or Mr B I'll let the People Here Decide who can be Who.
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Steve Santini's wonderful book speaks for itself. If anyone knows where all this was published before, let me know, I'll buy those books also.

Yours,

Paul
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One small post for the record...

I do not claim to be "the best" at anything nor "The World's Greatest".

To make such a claim is foolhardy and illogical.

I just enjoy doing escapes and have my entire life.

As for my latest book and the recent slams it is getting; I do not expect everyone to react the same to anything henceforth I am not bothered that some do not like the publication.

I personally do not like some types of food but other love them and vice versa.

Just because someone from Genii did not like the book does not at all mean it is not good. Everything is matter of personal preferance and besides, the reviewer was not even an escape artist!

It really does not matter one bit.

At this time I find solace in these two facts:

1) There are a number of people who have indeed found the book of use and I thank them for the kind impressions of my work. It has apparantly helped them and that is what I wrote and published it for in the first place. So, I can happily say "mission accomplished"!

and finally,

2) The manager of the Grand Ole Oprey in Nashville once told a young man by the name of Elvis Presley that he should give up all hopes of being a singer and instead seriously reconsider going back to driving a truck again.

Enough said!

Steve Santini
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Steve,

Wow, the manager of the trucking firm I used to drive for told me to forget about being a trucker and go off and be a magician or something.

Yours,

Paul
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Hi Paul,

At least in your case he was right!

Years later did you in turn look him up and tell him to quit being a trucking firm manager and become a mentalist? Smile

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Well I am the worlds greatest voice over artist and do the worlds greatest magic intros...

I also wrote the worlds greatest book on Dark Rides (True it is the ONLY book ever written on Theme Park Carnival/Dark Rides but that's beside the point it's great and I am the greatest for writing it and I have hundreds of reviews to prove it.)

I build the worlds greatest strange sideshow exhibits for showmen/women!

I also make the worlds greatest spaghetti sauce. (I have a trophy!)

How do I know this? I've been told by others many times so it must all be true...

Thus...I AM THE GREAT I AM! Or is all that just a Sales Pitch to move intros, push books, sell sauce and Feegee Mermaids?

...and IF it were true who gives a crap?
What does it all mean? Bean Dip.

I'm still broke and older than rope.

I feel the fool for even typing that stuff (even though it's in jest).

Steve Santini is the World's Greatest Steve Santini...no one else can make that claim and I'm proud to know somebody who IS the world's greatest at being themselves.

Someone, a sales trainer, once told me "Humble sucks".

He was wrong...it doesn't, it just gets in the way of sales sometimes. Though curiosly a lack of it can antagonize your intended customers.


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I'm Glad that Steve is into it Likes it. if it werent for him and X-Treem I wouldnt know a few pieces of information but I do now and I'll like to Thank Them Both.
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Hey Doug, how about a hint on that tomato sauce recipe....does it contain just a hint of basil? How about oregano? Is there a book in the works? Please let us know. Tony
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Hahahaha...

it's good but I doubt if it's the worlds greatest!

I entered this cook off once judged by a bunch of pro casino chefs and won the darn thing.

I put my Meatless sauce up against the Meat Sauces and got the trophy...it was fun...I'll send you the recipe if I can find the darn thing. (The reason I did a Meatless was the meat I had bought went bad on the way to the cook off so I had to improvise.)

My secret was...instead of Meat...I stirred in a few EGGS when sauteing the onions and garlic paste etc...in other words...I used a Gimmick! (uh...cheated) hahaha.


Doug

I found it and PMd you. Smile
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Thanks for the PM Doug, the recipe looks great! I can't wait to try it. Tony
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Okay, here's my two gold galleons worth for the 'proving the infinite negative' conundrum:

I'm the world's greatest REAL sorcerer and there is a purple unicorn on a planet somewhere in the known universe.

Prove me wrong.
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Dr Stephen Don't Forget about PUFF THE MAGIC DRAGON in a Land Called Avonlea.
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I can prove you wrong, the gay leprechaun (better knowen as the green fairy) who lives in my sock drawer (to keep all of my left socks safe) told me you were fulla bull because the unicorn is actually plum colored.
A direct from text adaptation : The Strange Case Of Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde Starring Mickey Rooney in his final role.
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ROFLMFAO. uh Does this Gay Leperchaun Fairy AKA Green Fairy have a Magic Wand to make all the Right Socks to disappear or turn into left Socks. Don,
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His job is to ward off the one eyed monkey who seels them on the Christian Black Market (only sell the "Holy" ones) Rim Shot I out punned you Smile
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Christian Black Maket Huh. how about a Blind one eyed monkey that way we can say he saw no evil in doing it and are the Holy Socks with a hole in them besides where the foot goes in or is it extra holes to that make them Holy.
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